Future of the New York Cosmos

Discussion in 'New York Cosmos' started by manny84, Mar 26, 2015.

  1. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  2. Unak78

    Unak78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 17, 2007
    PSG & Enyimba FC
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Nigeria
    He's local which is a good start. I've been bemoaning this fact recently since it seemed that there had been no local interest in NYC with NYRB, NYFC and the previous Cosmos owners.
     
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  3. urtel

    urtel Member

    Jul 16, 2003
    PDX
    Club:
    Rochester Rhinos
    Nat'l Team:
    Finland
    I think the goal now is to field a competitive side in a league that isn't going to fold anytime soon, which I don't think will happen in the NASL. For all we know, the NASL was created to have New York, Tampa Bay and Ft. Lauderdale to have some relevance from their heyday.

    Best case is that the Cosmos maintain dominance in the NASL, stay competitive in US Open Cup and pray for investment.
     
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  4. brentgoulet

    brentgoulet Member+

    Oct 12, 2005
    PuertoPlata, DomRep
    Great news for me, I live like 500 meters away from that stadium

    Agradecidos por la visita de @jackgaeta13 del @NYCosmos a nuestras instalaciones para el amistoso contra @FAtlantico

    [​IMG]
     
  5. New_York_Cosmos

    New_York_Cosmos Red Card

    Nov 10, 2010
    Monza
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    lucky you!! I wish I could see the Cosmos in Italy
     
  6. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  7. Unak78

    Unak78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 17, 2007
    PSG & Enyimba FC
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Nigeria
    I would like to know his long-term vision. Perhaps it's a bit early for that; his primary concern has to be merely surviving and building a sustainable club that can pay it's bills, compete within it's means, carve out a piece of the NY soccer landscape for itself and attract fans within it's market.

    But I really would like to see him ponder the idea of getting into the running for an MLS club. I know MLS says they're done expanding in NY, but they also say that they're stopping at 28 teams. If a future Cosmos ownership group puts the money up, finds a stadium site and is ready to put shovels into the ground and plays ball with the league, then (provided that their proposal is more enticing than any other group at such time) they won't be outright rejected. I don't think they would have been outright rejected even now if they had a legit proposal. MLS would at least take a look, though their current priorities would lie in expanding the league's footprint.

    Should the Tampa Bay Rowdies get into MLS, that would make the Sounders, Timbers, Whitecaps, Earthquakes and Rowdies as former NASL brands revived and "promoted" or rebranded into the league. Bringing the Cosmos would be icing on the cake and something that the league has actually been somewhat warm to in recent years. It would have had to be a local owner who would push for this; foreigners unfortunately would overplay and overrate their hand in assessing the value of the Cosmos brand after all of these years. It's different with Red Bulls and City Football Group promoting their own brands because they don't expect for Americans to take to their product straight off, so there's no underestimating the level of investment needed to bring their brands to our shores. Granted Chivas horribly botched it themselves.

    But with an old American brand, a foreign owner may respect the history of the Cosmos name, but he won't respect the challenge of reviving it today and the fact that it doesn't give them carte-blanche in any negotiation. I don't think a local guy like Commisso would have made that mistake. And then the idiotic plan to challenge MLS was something only someone with no understanding of the history of US pro sports league would do. Better-backed startup leagues like the AFL, ABA and others have been subsumed than what the Sela-owned Cosmos and the NASL tried to do. More rational heads are in charge now. With hope, they can spend the next 5-10 years rebuilding the team, stabilizing and then grow to the point where a push for team# 30-34 makes sense. By that time, the bad blood from Sela will be forgotten, MLS will hopefully be in enough markets to satisfy their footprint-based television goals and will be open to revisiting expansion in the NY market. If NYCFC can get a stadium by then in, perhaps, the Bronx, then Commisso and others he brings in can find space out in Long Island or Queens to build. Long Island seems to be the only place that might possibly be somewhat doable if NYCFC gets in one of the major borroughs.
     
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  8. thekorean

    thekorean Member

    Jan 10, 2017
    Club:
    New York City FC
    In order for Cosmos to compete in MLS, Rocco would have to buy the Red Bulls and rebrand it. Thats the only way.
     
  9. urtel

    urtel Member

    Jul 16, 2003
    PDX
    Club:
    Rochester Rhinos
    Nat'l Team:
    Finland
    A few years back, my mom was going through her things and found an old desktop PC. It was the one we had when I was in middle school, circa 1999. It had a Windows 98 OS and this was in the time of Windows XP. It didn't make sense to put more into the machine. It was a shell.

    My question is, beyond the nostalgia, what should realistic expectations look like? The ultimate 10 year plan should be a MLS franchise. Whether that means buying a franchise (if Red Bull divests) or moving to USL and being a major lobbyist towards a MLS 1/MLS 2 system with promotion/relegation.
     
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  10. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    would like to invite you to join us in celebrating Rocco Commisso as the new owner of the Cosmos. The event will take place on Monday, March 27th at the New York Athletic Club in Pelham, New York. I have provided a link below for you to register.
    I hope to see you at the NYAC.
    Please click HERE to register to attend the event.
    Thank you,
    Joe Barone
    The New York Cosmos
    100 Quentin Roosevelt Blvd
    Garden City, NY 11530-4840
    Mobile: 347-578-1511
     
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  11. Unak78

    Unak78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 17, 2007
    PSG & Enyimba FC
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Nigeria
    If someone threw enough money at MLS and promised to build a stadium, then the words "only way" would have no meaning. Noone turns down "enough money". Now there's a question on what that variable sum would be and it could very well be ridiculous, but the idea that MLS would outright reject a Cosmos owner who wanted to get in the league badly enough that he would go well over the expected franchise fee is naive to me. Alot like anyone who thought that CONMEBOL wouldn't sell out on their Copa America again if the chance came. Money beats rock, paper and scissors.

    With that said, it's not likely that the Cosmos have found an owner who's ready or capable to pay a kings ransome to pay off MLS in order to become NY3. It's not in MLS' interests currently to do so, since it wouldn't increase the league's footprint as much as NY2 did. And it will have to be significant enough to throw off the other NY clubs' interests. But I wouldn't be too worried about their opposition. They may be businessmen, but they're also both foreign-run outfits who aren't going to be as particular about protecting their markets as American owners are. For one thing, these two sides themselves are satellites of their primary brand, and as such, protecting their market for the teams in NY is an ancillary concern compared to what those teams in NY add to their brands in CityFootGroup and Red Bull's sports/tech/alternative lifestyle brand. It's why Red Bull hasn't bothered to sell the club despite possibly losing money and becoming second fiddle in their own market. Any money they lose here in a half decade is what they spend on brake-by-wire upgrades for a half season in F1 and they lose a hell of a lot more money doing crazy things there.
     
  12. thekorean

    thekorean Member

    Jan 10, 2017
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Building a new SSS in the tristate area? Uh, yea, good luck with that.

    Red Bulls would never let them cross Hudson. And Connecticut would make zero sense financially.
     
  13. Unak78

    Unak78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 17, 2007
    PSG & Enyimba FC
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Nigeria
    If they paid enough and the proposal made sense, their fellow owners would never let them block it. It's stupid to think otherwise. Perhaps not at the regular market fee, but if they were willing to go above that it raises the value of the league overall and RB and your own team do not live in a vacuum. I'm not saying that this would happen since I don't know of anyone who would want it so badly that they would do this, but your argument is basically "no because." The league is a business that is all about making money and to try to say that there is no dollar amount that RB and NYCFC could be bought off at is fan-speak, not owner-speak...

    Sometimes it makes alot of sense how easily manipulated markets are by ownerships looking for handouts if you can't realize this one basic rule.

    Besides all of that, these are foreigners who's ventures here are more to bring value back to their European brands, not the other way around. Sure they have to be successful, but they're not about to turn down a significant payoff just to hold onto a market. And if they would, MLS' other owners would talk them out of it.
     
  14. FoxBoro 143

    FoxBoro 143 Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Of course money can buy just about anything, but it has to come down to an amount in which all four parties agree to. I'm not sure a viable number exists, so someone would have to throw stupid money to get NYC3.
    You would have to pay the general expansion fee, plus compensate both NY teams who's territories would be encroached. I would imagine MLS would charge a premium for the premium market, so if this were to happen today, it would probably be $200m, then what would each NYCFC and NJ want? It would have to be a very large number that would not make business sense to the Cosmos.
    For those curious or unaware, NYCFC did not have to compensate NJ because the league reserved a spot for NY2 at it's inception.
     
  15. Unak78

    Unak78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 17, 2007
    PSG & Enyimba FC
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Nigeria
    That's kind of all my point really is. Obviously it's possible that the demand would exceed the willingness of a hypothetical Cosmos owner, but the idea that it's impossible is what I take issue with. The point is having a goal in mind and if there is an ownership group who found value in the idea and had the money to make it happen, then it becomes a viable discussion. The fact is that, with enough money thrown at the proposition, they could certainly buy their way into MLS. It's preposterous to think otherwise.

    As this is the Cosmos page and they're inquiring into what their own potential goals should be, I don't think that Cosmos Fans steering their ownership towards this direction is in any way detrimental to their club, if anything it's the best thing for their future. Anything else is merely sentiments from rival fans. Really, what is the point of coming on here with that? Especially as the team is no longer comprised of an ownership intent on competing with MLS. If someone personally doesn't want it to happen and has reasons for that, then that's valid but not necessarily warranted int his thread since it adds nothing to the conversation.
     
  16. thekorean

    thekorean Member

    Jan 10, 2017
    Club:
    New York City FC
    MLS is pretty dead set on no third MLS team in Tristate area.
     
  17. Unak78

    Unak78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 17, 2007
    PSG & Enyimba FC
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Nigeria
    Nothing is written in stone on that note. They also said once that they were done with expansion at 20.
     
  18. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Difference is, what benefit would it be for MLS to put a third team in the NY area?

    Answer, there isn't any.
     
  19. Unak78

    Unak78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 17, 2007
    PSG & Enyimba FC
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Nigeria
    The benefit could be a lot of zeroes if someone is willing to put that up. I said that before. I'm not arguing that they'll be on level and be able to bid just as anyone else would. What I'm saying is if Bill Gates, tomorrow, decided to buy the NY Cosmos and handed Don Garber a blank check and said "make your dreams come true, buddy"... they're not turning him down. That's a hypothetical, but if someone with enough money is motivated enough to make a push, they aren't going to turn him down without having the conversation. Especially if that person has alot of connections and is respected by the rest of the billionaires club in MLS. That's one thing that you have to take into account.

    This is rich people talking to rich people, not a bunch of fans on a forum expressing desires or conceits. I'm not talking about a guy like myself going in there and begging for a team called the Cosmos, I'm talking about someone who's well-heeled and knows just about every single guy in the room and has their respect. This isn't Sela or some other foreign investor, this is an American who they would talk to on a regular basis. Who they cannot simply dismiss out of hand. Who may or may not have political connections and/or business relationships with several current MLS investors.

    So the idea that someone like that would walk up to Don Garber and say, "I want to put in a bid alongside everyone else" and for DG to just say "no" out of hand without a full vetting of potential proposals is preposterous. Would it take much more money, perhaps even double the expansion fee that would be put up by other entries, probably, but those guys would give him a serious look. I don't know if it's Rocco. I don't know him well enough to know what they may think of him. But I know that if Woody Johnson, John Mara, or Steve Tisch decided that they had to be in MLS tomorrow and the Cosmos had to be the team and they were stepping up with close to doubling the bid put forth by anyone else or even 33% on top, they're not being sent away without a full look at what they want to do, plus they'll be much more informed and better at stating the case than you or I could in either direction.

    Now the likelihood of that scenario emerging is questionable, but those conditions are possible, so dismissing it out of hand because of a statement made by a commissioner who's often gone back on statements is short-sighted. And let's not sit around and act like leaders and businessmen don't make statements that are subject to change under emerging conditions. Dana White once said that women would never compete in the UFC and at the time one might have said the same thing that you just said about that prospect; there's no benefit for that to change. Conditions always change when dealing with human variables.
     
  20. Olo2317

    Olo2317 Member

    Jun 1, 2014
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Trump should buy the Cosmos and build stadium in Brooklyn and get them in the MLS
     
  21. New_York_Cosmos

    New_York_Cosmos Red Card

    Nov 10, 2010
    Monza
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    yes, once he has been kicked out the white house for impeachment
     
  22. New_York_Cosmos

    New_York_Cosmos Red Card

    Nov 10, 2010
    Monza
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Rocco Commisso has enough money so he could do that but I hope he will stick on the nasl and help it to grow again and expand to 16/20 teams in 4/5 years and strong enough to cope with MLS
     
  23. Roger Allaway

    Roger Allaway Member+

    Apr 22, 2009
    Warminster, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Does anybody have enough money to buy a magic wand that they can wave and make land appear?
     
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  24. New_York_Cosmos

    New_York_Cosmos Red Card

    Nov 10, 2010
    Monza
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    can you please explain me this joke?
     
  25. New_York_Cosmos

    New_York_Cosmos Red Card

    Nov 10, 2010
    Monza
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    by the way, are you for real THAT Roger Allaway???
     

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