NSR Netherlands: Current events (in the world).

Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!

 

Except we're not talking about the 1960's, we're talking about partly the 70's, 80's and mostly beyond that (from 2000 to 2016)

 

No, do you??

And whats your point??

Are you insinuating that muslim immigration into NL didnt increase exponentially every year??

 

'Gezinshereniging' or family reunification was pushed by the center right CDA because of their focus on family policy from their christian background.

Refugees are a different issue because they were mostly not invited to the Netherlands, and the country is tied to the rules of the ECHR.

 

No, you're right O14. There is no muslim immigration problem into Europe (or NL).

You're right, I dont have immediate stats available right now, so I must be wrong.
What was I thinking!!

Will you accept my defeat in this debate now?? I apologize

 

I think this article in two parts gives a reasonable explanation:

http://sargasso.nl/de-massa-immigratie-allemaal-de-schuld-van-links-toch-1/

http://sargasso.nl/de-massa-immigratie-allemaal-de-schuld-van-links-toch-2/

 

I'll break it down for you.

Back in the 60's, 70's and 80's muslim immigration into Europe was fairly low. Maybe between 2 and 5 percent.
That went fairly okay, not too many problems.

Now its approximately 10 percent. And we can see whats happening right now.
All hell is breaking loose.

Can you imagine if we let more in and make it 20% or 30%....... and beyond!!!

 

We've been discussing this for months with DRB but probably a lot of people don't read our big posts so I'd try to keep it shorter here.

From my position it's all about culture and environnement. Religions give a basic package, then societies pick and adapt things the way they want it. For this reason Tatar muslims are very different than muslims from Pakistan in the degree of practice and way of interpreting the religion. There are more than 100 of different schools in Islam and they all have a different vision of things.

How to make the muslims in europe adhere to your laws ? I think it will have to go through a change of the societies first. Their structures. How come certain groups are still poorer than white europeans after 50 years and several generations of presence in Europe ? The idea of living in multiracial societies is a like a myth in Europe and there will be always be some political to remind it, by saying "Europe is white and christian first". As long as this sentence will be heard, there will be a problem. This sentence defines what is the standard. White and christian. Then you can be white and atheist of course, eventually white and jew or white and muslim. But colored people won't be standard anyway.

I'm pretty sure those muslims from north africa/middle east would give up with their religion and integrate to the european values if they were better integrated socially and economically, which means no institutionnal racism against them anymore. I still see their attachment to Islam as a reflex to their failed integration. Came with the idea to work and find freedom, and are doing the total opposite now, staying on welfare and putting restrictions to themselves and to others with halal meat, traditionnal clothes etc. why was it different 50 years ago ?

Why the muslim bosnians and albanians could integrate quite good in western Europe for example ? Isn't it because they are white, many of them even blond ?

 

You dont even live in NL, so why do you care so much????!!

 

from my experience in Europe (among dutchies and swedes) it seems often folks don't distinguish between immigration and refugees. Sweden for example has taken in loads of asylum seekers for the past 40 years and it's def had a significant effect on their nation for better or worse. Norway and Denmark have done the same but to a lesser extent and recently have broken away from the Swedish levels of tolerance. Finland I believe is even less when it comes to refugees and immigrants.

Just an interesting note of discussion i'd say.

 

so to further add on my discussion about you guys (average Dutchies view of the Dutch Marines) i'm curious if there is any (if at all ) opposition/support for your troops being stationed in Lithuania with German troops as part of the new NATO brigade in the region.

 

The Turkish community is far more organized than the Moroccan community. It's far easier for Turks to find loans and expertise among their own to start up businesses and companies. A Turkish middle class now provides a steady gateway into college and better paid professions. Moroccan success stories are usually individuals who have reached high positions in the public sector or in entertainment.

I don't really know why this difference exits, although I suspect that it is down to the Turks coming from a country with more developed socio-economic institutions.

 

Cooperation with other NATO forces isn't new, our Marines have a long standing relationship with their British counterparts and the Army has worked together with the Germans for quite a while now.

As for exercises in Lithuania, I don't think there is much interest in it either way. I doubt many Dutch people see Russia as a military threat anymore.

 

I pity the poor mod who has to read the long epistles in this thread, I doubt anyone else does

 

I have a family member who worked for the navy as a civil laywer. The degree of incompetence of logistics and just common sense is beyond imagination from what i've understood. From that person not getting the mandatory uniform for daily work for over 8 months, to stories that there were units forced to make a temp base in jungle-africa despite knowing that that specific part was a mosquito hotspot as warned and told by everybody but forced to do so anyway by command, and then not provided with the appropiate equiptment, like the appropiate anti-mosquito tent...

Not really an answer to your question, but I like most people cannot imagine a true oldschool war happening anytime soon.

 

No, of course not. Listen to this: