News: Thursday, April 23, 2015

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Fiosfan, Apr 23, 2015.

  1. John Pittman

    John Pittman Member

    Nov 19, 2014
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Google it there was a good story on ESPNFC about a week ago worth reading.
     
  2. John Pittman

    John Pittman Member

    Nov 19, 2014
    Club:
    Columbus Crew

    And that is almost word for word they dont think clubs should be run for a profit
     
  3. GreatGonzo

    GreatGonzo Member+

    Jul 1, 1999
    MA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Yeah, ask 2014 Portland (missed playoffs by 1 point) if going winless in their first 8 games wasn't a big deal because "everyone gets into the playoffs". Or 2013 San Jose (missed due to GD) if only getting 18 points out of their first 17 games wasn't a big deal.
     
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  4. MannieG

    MannieG Member+

    Nov 30, 2006
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You should really see a proctologist about that stick.
     
  5. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
    The Man Utd fans don't/didn't like the Glazers because they borrowed 800million pounds against the club to buy the club and for things like this:

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    Taken from the article I assume you are referring to.

    http://www.espnfc.us/blog/espn-fc-u...shouldnt-be-run-for-profit-writes-simon-kuper
     
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  6. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glazer_ownership_of_Manchester_United

    Nah, they hate their owners because they put their personal debt from buying the team onto the team's books. So a team that was very stable and pretty much debt free, was now over 500 million in debt which affected the way the team did business. This angered the fans.

     
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  7. Fiosfan

    Fiosfan Red Card

    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  8. SpiritualUnity

    Mar 21, 2012
  9. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    #34 Zoidberg, Apr 23, 2015
    Last edited: Apr 23, 2015
    I've lost a lot of respect for AB the peson in the last few years. He has taken several shots at MLS recently.

    The shots are not the problem. It's that be has posted several times, and then quickly erased, or back pedaled after.

    Pretty pathetic and cowardly. Maybe he is just mirroring our Nats boss and kissing his ass to suck up.
     
  10. The Franchise

    The Franchise Member+

    Nov 13, 2014
    Bakersfield, CA
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To play devil's advocate, investing in facilities is an example of MLS being devious. It dupes new targets into believing the league is stable long-term to keep those expansion fees coming in. Très sneaky, n'est-ce pas?

    My actual opinion is the opposite. Private businesses are incentivized to officially report losses, but there are losses and losses. Accounting long-term capital investments as losses reduces taxes to be paid, let alone the benefit during labor negotiations. Public operations are the opposite, as profits are desirable to maintaining stock values. There's exactly one major American sports team which is publicly-held, and if the other NFL owners could get away with privatizing the Green Bay Packers, they would. Controlling information is a necessity for businesses like this, and I bet potential MLS owner/investors know much more about the league's revenue and expenses than you, me, or soccernomics.com.
     
  11. Howard the Drake

    Feb 27, 2010
    I think MLS fans get a little sensitive. The league takes a lot of shots, people tend to gang up on any criticism.
     
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  12. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    I completely agree with this, but AB deserves a lot of what he gets. This is the first time I have been hard on him.

    He has done stuff like this several times, not once or twice.

    Quite a few times he has said things, and then pulled it several minutes later when pressed.

    Once, twice, three times...eh. Several times later it is a character issue.

    The criticisms are not the issue for me. It's the fact that he hides, backtracks and doesn't discuss when pressed...he hides. Seems that AB is a bit sensitive himself, and a bit cowardly and immature to boot.
     
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  13. Fiosfan

    Fiosfan Red Card

    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  14. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If thinking that "American exceptionalism" is an ignorant nationalist idea means that I've got a stick up my ass, then I'll keep the stick.
     
  15. mbanks

    mbanks Member

    Mar 11, 1999

    Isn't it to MLS' credit that its worst team can go into Azteca and get a result?
     
  16. Howard the Drake

    Feb 27, 2010
    Stefan Szymanski is a smart guy who has written plenty on soccer business, and the article was interesting enough, but it was waaaaaaay too reliant on anonymous sources to have a ton of value.

    You can't refute any of that because it's like disproving a negative.
     
  17. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MagicJack? :D
     
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  18. Howard the Drake

    Feb 27, 2010
    I dunno, if I was a player and got a gazillion replies from people anytime I posted something that wasn't 100% positive of MLS I'd probably delete the tweet to shut people up too. I don't think it's so much a cowardly thing as he's probably too sensitive and maybe doesn't think about the way people will react to every tweet.
     
  19. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    I understand that part of it is me also.


    I have had to analyze people as possible contributors, employees, assets, their character, etc, for over three decades now.

    There are issues, patterns, actions that immediately raise flags. AB has hit the mark with me.

    Sure he works hard and I count on him to do the busy work....can he run things, can I trust him? Probably not.
     
  20. Revolt

    Revolt Member+

    Jun 16, 1999
    Davis, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  21. John Pittman

    John Pittman Member

    Nov 19, 2014
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    #47 John Pittman, Apr 23, 2015
    Last edited: Apr 23, 2015
    Ya America sucks no wonder we cant get anyone to come move over here and leave their home country.
     
  22. John Pittman

    John Pittman Member

    Nov 19, 2014
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Leveraging a corporation for capitol to free up funds for operations is a normal part and common act of a profitable company. And the debt is less then a third of their market cap.
     
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  23. MannieG

    MannieG Member+

    Nov 30, 2006
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Getting worked up about a comment on a bigsoccer forum is. Now you're just showing off riding your high horse with said stick.
     
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  24. MannieG

    MannieG Member+

    Nov 30, 2006
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Now, here's an exceptionalist comment worthy or having it's stupidity called out.
     
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