News: Toronto FC player movement/rumours thread

Discussion in 'Toronto FC' started by Catracho_Azul, Dec 27, 2012.

  1. EvilTree

    EvilTree Member+

    Canadian S.C
    Canada
    Nov 20, 2007
    Frozen Swampland, Soviet Canuckistan
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    that's fine. MLS is a feeder league. if someone makes 3 mil offer for Laba, you're selling him. You pocket 650k in allocation money, bank the rest minus league's share on the team, and you reload. the key is to have good scouting infrastructure to look for the next Laba.

    before MLS looked for cheap buys or free agents. now that barrier's been broken, any player you can get for good deal is fair game in South America and Central America now.
     
  2. Footy Magoo

    Footy Magoo Audaces fortuna iuvat

    Mar 23, 2009
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    #827 Footy Magoo, Jan 9, 2014
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    Every time I read a story the transfer fee changes. ESPNFC has the wrong amount.

    http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1676047/bradley-completes-transfer-toronto


    Edit: The Roma website says $10M dollars. Who knows if it's Canadian or US.
     
  3. SoCalYid

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    Jun 11, 2011
    BigSoccer :)
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    United States
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  4. SoCalYid

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    Jun 11, 2011
    BigSoccer :)
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  5. Polygong

    Polygong Moderator
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    Apr 8, 2007
    Toronto
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    So as it stands, assuming that Defoe and Bradley are in and Laba and Eckersley will be out, here's what we'll likely look like:

    ----Gilberto - Defoe ------
    DeRo ---- Osorio ----- Rey
    -------- Bradley ---------
    Morgan-Henry-Caldwell-Bloom
    ---------Bendik------------

    Bench: Dike, Wiedeman, Agbossoumonde, Bekker, Hall, Richter,Konopka

    Now the question: with the above on the pitch and Nelsen as coach, how likely are they going to churn out the 50 points needed to make the playoffs? I'm not 100% convinced.
     
  6. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    With Bradley and Defoe in you fellas seem to be spending some money. A couple of good buys I'd say :)
     
  7. crazypete13

    crazypete13 Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 7, 2007
    A walk from BMO
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Spoke to my MLSE buddy last night at hockey - they are under strict orders from Leiwicke to not confirm anything until 1/13/14 ;)
     
  8. TOareaFan

    TOareaFan Member+

    Jun 19, 2008
    Greater Toronto Area
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I would think that Jackson and Morrow have to be good enough for the bench at least.....no?
     
  9. TOareaFan

    TOareaFan Member+

    Jun 19, 2008
    Greater Toronto Area
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
  10. Polygong

    Polygong Moderator
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    Apr 8, 2007
    Toronto
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    To be honest, I didn't put nearly as much thought into the bench as I did with the Starting XI.
     
  11. TOareaFan

    TOareaFan Member+

    Jun 19, 2008
    Greater Toronto Area
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    From what I read about Morrow he is very flexible/adaptable amongst the defensive positions and he likely starts ahead of Bloom.

    A complete recap (updated from a few pages ago) of where the roster stands:

    Might be useful to recap where the club is at.

    Goalkeepers (3): Joe Bendik, Chris Konopka, Quillan Roberts

    Defenders (8): Steven Caldwell, Jonas Elmer, Doneil Henry, Ashtone Morgan, Gale Agbossoumonde, Mark Bloom, Ryan Richter, Richard Eckerlsey, Justin Morrow

    Midfielders (9): Kyle Bekker, Matias Laba, Jonathan Osorio, Alvaro Rey, Jeremy Hall, Manny Aparicio, Reggie Lambe, Jackson,Michael Bradley, DeRosario

    Forwards (6): Bright Dike, Emery Welshman, Andrew Wiedeman, Gilberto , Defoe, Jordan Hamilton

    So 26 players under contract for next year. If we assume Eck gets bought out, Laba moves somehow and Bradley signs and move the 6 homegrown players off to the side (in italics - they don't count in the cap) and look at last year's salaries as released by the players' association and assume a cap of $3 mil this year (I think it is a bit higher but not much).

    I figure that TFC has 20 players signed to cap using positions.....and about $2.2 mil of the cap used. They have 26 spots used of the total allowed of 30.....so they have room for 4 players in total and about $650k of cap space left.....the average salary they can pay a cap counting player is around $160k.

    If you assume 2 spots go to MLS super draft picks (arbitrary assumption) that probably eats up no more than $100k of the cap. That means the remaining 2 cap hit players can average about $275k each....that is a good number for "vets".

    Same caveat as before that this is void of any knowledge of how much allocation money there is and void of how that actually works.....probably offset by the fact I have used last year's salaries and some of those may go up and it is never clear if it is the salary or the guaranteed comp figure that gets used (or some combination).

    Suffice it to say, this is a rough suggestion that with fewer roster spots left to fill going into January and more room than ever.....TFC has never been in this kind of shape before camp (IMO).
     
    BHTC Mike repped this.
  12. crazypete13

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    May 7, 2007
    A walk from BMO
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  13. TOareaFan

    TOareaFan Member+

    Jun 19, 2008
    Greater Toronto Area
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    lol.....but even the Bradley sale has been announced by Roma.

    I think it is a function of how we treat sports in North America as more of a showbiz/entertainment vehicle...thinking we can control the message until a pre-arranged media event on Monday is naive. The selling clubs have a say in how this gets out.
     
  14. crazypete13

    crazypete13 Moderator
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    May 7, 2007
    A walk from BMO
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Of course - I think MLSE just didn't want their sales team to be the ones to announce it.
     
  15. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
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    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    All hail the Capologist if we manage to keep Laba. As TOarefan mentioned I never seen Toronto with this many pieces put together in January. We will go into pre-season with a full roster that won't change during the first month of play for once.
     
  16. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    You know, that has the potential of being one hell of a team.

    I have been to Toronto to see Fire-Toronto FC games a couple of times and always had a great time.

    Let's hope this reignites the passion Toronto seemed to have in the first couple of years.

    Congratulations to you guys. I wish you success in 2014 (except against the Fire), you deserve it.
     
  17. busbyboy74

    busbyboy74 Member

    Apr 13, 2007
    416 Proper
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    So, the only weakness I can see is in D. Would like to pick up a defender or two.
     
  18. TFC Ajax

    TFC Ajax Member+

    Mar 20, 2011
    Greater Toronto Area
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    We also picked up Morrow from San Jose though.
     
  19. busbyboy74

    busbyboy74 Member

    Apr 13, 2007
    416 Proper
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    True, might need more depth though
     
  20. Kingston

    Kingston Member+

    Oct 6, 2005
    We can always improve on D but it is worth pointing out that even last year our D was pretty reasonable. We surrendered 47 goals compared to a league average of 44.5.
     
  21. TOareaFan

    TOareaFan Member+

    Jun 19, 2008
    Greater Toronto Area
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    At least one team made the playoffs conceding more goals than ours.

    I have no issue with the notion that the next improvements should be at the back end but I also think this squad will spend more time in the other teams' half which, in and of itself, will improve the number of goals we concede.
     
  22. Polygong

    Polygong Moderator
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    Apr 8, 2007
    Toronto
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Add to that, the figure quoted above was the season average, and the D improved a lot after O'Dea left. I'd work out the numbers if I had time.
     
  23. RetreadFC

    RetreadFC Member

    Sep 8, 2008
    Oshawa
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    So in one year, we've replaced Frings/Koevermans with Bradley/Defoe.

    Works for me.
     
  24. Copes

    Copes Member

    Aug 30, 2012
    St. John's, Newfoundland
    Club:
    Torino FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I'm predicting Morrow over Bloom, Jackson and DeRo will alternate.

    As for the comments above about our D, I'm quite pleased with TFC's D. It improved substantially after Caldwell, and Morgan and Henry will continue to improve. They are still both so young. Statistically, as mentioned, TFC wasn't that bad last year.

    The offseason needed to focus on the attack, and holy shit did it deliver more than anyone ever would have predicted.
     
  25. cloak

    cloak Member

    Aug 25, 2010
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Morgan wont be starting he's not trustworthy I don't think Nelsen is going to allow the possibility of his meltdowns. Bloom might not even start either, although I like him.

    If Laba is retained, which he should be at all costs I'd suspect,

    ---------------Gilberto
    -------------Defoe
    -Osorio------------------------Rey
    ----------------Bradley
    ---------------Laba
    -Morrow--Henry--Caldwell--Jackson
     

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