The Klinsmann Coaching thread, v1

Lichaj: It is questionable if Lichaj can take on top wings 1v1 - or if he needs help. I think JK is saying that Lichaj has the opportunity to show what he can do at his club.

Yes, yes, I know, we don't have anybody else who is a proven improvement over Lichaj so I've been in favor of calling Eric in as well.

 

I think that counts as a curious decision, like what kokoplus was saying.

 

Klinsmann has an obvious pedigree as a player, but where has his coaching pedigree come from? Coaching the German national team? No, the team was set in place previous to him being there and from the numerous articles I read while he was the coach he did not have the support of the team! His time coaching Bayern Munich? No, he was a disaster there! Ok, so why do we treat him like he is the deserving coach of our National Team!? I can imagine he might be good in an administrative role, fixing the US system of development, but not as a coach!! As the US coach, he has only proven to me his ridiculous inadequacy of coaching at a national team level! He has no control of our team and the results have followed!

 

You could have said the same thing about Bradley and Arena before him.
By no means do I think he is doing a stellar job.
If he screw up vs A&B and Guatemala, then ....

 

Dont know what kind of job he is doing till the end of the cycle. If we get eliminated before the world cup well then thats easy to determine.

but till then we wont really know.

 

Bradley and Arena were both MLS champions with long track records of achievement in a very difficult and unpredictable league to manage in.

Klinsmann rolled the ball out for Germany and Bayern for a couple years.

 

seriously?

 

Yes.

I'm interested to know which part is more shocking to you: the idea that MLS is a challenging league to manage in or the idea that big-time glamour clubs sometimes hire dipshit coaches?

 

whoa.

MLS is a second tier league. coaching in the EPL, La Liga, Serie A and Bundesliga is so much more difficult. a lot more difficult.

MLS isnt easy but come on. thats just being obtuse.

 

So you're going on record as preferring lousy European coaches over talented American ones?

Ask Ruud "Alan Gordon should play more like Scholes" Gullit what a breeze MLS was compared to Chelsea and Newcastle.

 

Personally MLS has gotten to be at a level that "being a second tier league" no longer applies. You have to see the talent on the pitch to understand that recently. MLS is not a bad league at all, it is challenging, and managing teams with available talent on the bench than your top teams in Europe make coaching much more challenging to be honest. So imagine an MLS coach with the money to buy talent like top Prem teams have and give him the reigns he might actually do quite well.

 

This.

It seems like it would be a lot more difficult to win a league title in your club's inaugural season with a squad built from scratch with college guys and crippled foreign veterans than it would be to take over an already well-established team featuring world-class players at every position...and finish 3rd...on home soil.

But of course, many star-f***er American fans with soccer inferiority complexes don't want to hear this.

 

Gullit is not a coach.

Other than that I pretty much agree.

 

Yep, those awful results in Italy, Slovenia and Mexico. You can not like JK as coach and I'm sure you can find plenty of ammo to back up your point but this is just wrong.

 

Well one can also be a huge fan of MLS, love Bruce Arena and really appreciate what Bradley did for the progam AND like JK. I feel like it's a zero sum game with you sometimes.

 

It pretty much is. We only get to have one coach at a time, and I would prefer it's a good one.

 

Right, it's easy to finish third in the world cup and to manage one of the top club teams in the world (and have them within 3 points of first place when terminated). Very easy. Just look how Bradley and Arena have done that....oh, wait...

 

It's hard to qualify for the Hex with two matches to spare and consider who we might like to give an opportunity in the next two qualifiers. That's tricky . . .

One might think that the coach who defeated Costa Rica, Poland and Ecuador in Germany in the '06 World Cup might be able to avoid losing to Jamaica (for the first time ever) as his predecessors had managed.

 

MLS teams in good form get trounced by teams in preseason form.

For a good reason. They are significantly better.

MLS is a better league than it was but to say it is on the level with EPL, Serie A, Bundesliga or La Liga...

And seriusly Ruud Gullit...not really a manager ever. EVER. He was fired everywhere he went because he was partying and goofing off just happy to be paid.

Jurgen is not known for goofing off and playing around. He is serious about the work he does. LA Galaxy were just dumb to hire a guy who had zero success as a manager anywhere.

 

Upsets happen. Look at Brasil losing to Bolivia (and losing their first ever qualifier) for the first time ever in 93'.

It has to happen sooner or later.

 

this is a false choice.

It isnt that black and white.

 

exactly. this is about making an attempt to elevate play. and its going to be ugly, bumpy and difficult.

not easy at all. anyone thinking differently is in a fantasy world.

 

Know what? I agree with you. That Jamaica loss is a black mark.

At the same time, it doesn't make A2's hyperbolic statements more accurate or anything other than inspiration for a good chuckle.

 

Ever, ever? Except that one FA Cup he won

And what about TFC?