The Arsenal Overhaul Project

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by bandwagongooner, Feb 18, 2012.

  1. darcgun

    darcgun Member+

    Jan 11, 2008
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    He isn't one to talk, considering he lost the plot also lol..

    But even still, he makes good points.
     
  2. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
  3. lamb

    lamb Member+

    Sep 3, 2004
    Larne, N.Ireland
    actually, that's not what he said. try reading it again.
     
  4. PG Tips

    PG Tips Member

    Oct 5, 2008
    Vancouver
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Graham - "I would let Walcott go. He was a promising boy but his potential has never really been fulfilled. He has still got fabulous pace but he's been there five years and I can't see a great improvement."


    At the very least I think we should send him down to the Championship for several months on loan and he can learn some lessons out of the spotlight. As on article on 365 said,

    If the Arsenal manager wants to get the best out of Walcott, he should take him to one side and whisper in his ear, "Theo, I've read your kid's books, they're sh*t. Now pack your bags, you're going to Watford for the next six months."
     
  5. Catfish

    Catfish Member

    Oct 1, 2002
    Chicago
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I think Theo should have been loaned out ages ago.
    If he wasn't English, don't think everyone would have been
    as patient with him. I'm not saying he is rubbish, just not
    as good as promised. What will he do when his pace fades?
     
  6. stoppre16

    stoppre16 Member

    Apr 19, 2007

    "Some players at Chelsea and Manchester City are earning £175,000 a week or more.

    "For Van Persie, this will be his last big contract. He'll be 29 when his contract finishes and he's going to be looking for a four-year contract, maybe even five. You can't expect Arsenal to pay that knowing that in his last two years he probably won't be a regular in the team."

    Sure sounds like that is what he's saying to me... maybe try reading it again??
     
  7. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Im sure "Team Theo" would be very happy with being loaned to the Championship

    this is true
     
  8. lamb

    lamb Member+

    Sep 3, 2004
    Larne, N.Ireland
    then you aren't comprehending it. he is specifically speaking about van persie and even more specifically about an ageing player's last contract.
     
  9. banco

    banco Member

    Mar 27, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    The team needs to start hurting some of these guys feelings. Maybe it would make them play better. Or at least let us find out who is soft so we can sell them off before its too late like it may be with Walcott.
     
  10. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    it applies to other top talent also, which is who fansare advocating we sign
    Im not disagreeing, Im just saying "Team Theo" wouldnt be happy about it.
     
  11. lamb

    lamb Member+

    Sep 3, 2004
    Larne, N.Ireland
    is it? seems to me that plenty of players have been given too much time, whatever their nationality, and it also seems that theo gets the same kind of critical comments that those other players do.
     
  12. total_football

    total_football Member+

    Apr 2, 2002
    Chicago
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    There some blurb on FB where Wenger allegedly said that coming in 4th is like winning a "trophy".

    Surely, he is not THAT delusional in his thinking, is he???

    Wow. C'mon, a little frankness, honesty and transparency would be nice. He must know that fans can see through the B.S. fairly easily at this point.
     
  13. total_football

    total_football Member+

    Apr 2, 2002
    Chicago
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    The other thing is, Wenger is very very slow at cutting his losses. He only does when the horse has already fled the barn, when it's all readily apparent to everyone, including, finally, him.

    I still can't believe Manny is still on the books. How many games did that has been cost us? How many years did Wenger stick by him? I still maintain a more competent 2nd keeper would have done better against those 2006 goals by F.U. Barfa.


    FFS. Rosicky is still here and still given important starts. Denilson was a starter for multiple years.

    Wenger cuts the strings, but only begrudgingly. He needed to be more ruthless.

    Personally, at this point, I'd rather see up and coming youth stars filling out the roster slot than POS like Chamakh.

    When the veterans are garbage and still keep their places, it means there's no accountability. That's the manager's fault.
     
  14. DutchCane

    DutchCane Member+

    Apr 6, 2004
    New York, New York
    It's funny how people are advocating Gervinho being sold but keeping Theo. Is there a icon for making the esta loca sign?
     
  15. hughmanatee

    hughmanatee Member

    Aug 11, 2010
    Montréal
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Venezuela
    Regarding the 'Overhaul Project', it seems like our rebuilding trend continues...

    POSITIVE: we look to finally have seen the end of Vela, Bendtner and Denilson in Arsenal colors. contrary to what some posters here may believe, dealing with players is a lot more complicated than simply negotiating contracts and filling out a team sheet and the club deserves credit for this decision. And the players that are going to replace Bendtner, Denilson, and Vela look to be huge improvements - at least in the long run: Afobe (shame about the injury), Coquelin, Myaichi. It's hard to argue about the core players but, as has been the case for the past 5-6 consecutive seasons, they are all still too young (and inconsistent). When our stars mention leaving Arsenal, Barcelona always seems to be destination. We're a feeder club for the very best teams in the world. When our finances are resolved we'll be in a position to compete for a Champions League title.

    NEGATIVE: We're a feeder club. Arsenal are one of the most successful, widely-followed clubs in the world - not to mention England. The fans have been incredibly patient waiting for the club to fulfill its potential. We have succeeded in achieving the bare minimum of what is expected of the club. The fans have seen the club come very close on numerous occasions in the last 7 years, missing out on silverware due - in hindsight - to the inability to reinvest an extra £20-30 million over the last 5 years. That's a pittance for a trophy these days! The club's current licensing agreements summarize the philosophy of the club. They settled for security, for playing it safe to guarantee the club's future. That's a very difficult thing to judge, but the management still has time to make things right.

    The management of Arsenal FC are looking to the future, one eye on their bank accounts, and the other on the stadium debt, and it's the fans who are paying. We're paying for the owners' investments - they're making money off us now, so they can make more money off us later - you think the ticket or merchandise prices will ever go down? LOL. We're lucky to have competed as well as we have over the past few years, and the fans deserve something for their patience.

    This summer we'll find out if the club is still accountable to the fans. The excuses that the club makes for rising ticket prices aren't reflecting the product on the pitch. And the fans paying thousands and hundreds of dollars every season for the privilege to attend matches at the EMIRATES STADIUM shouldn't be the only one's spending. Are you a fan, Stan?

    How can the club make things right? Sign one our long-term targets for once. Who cares how much it costs, just show us you're listening. Let's turn this talk about Hazard/Gotze into results for a change. Also, tell our defence to stop getting injured.
     
  16. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Who? Theo has been in the first team since 2006, and has over 200 club appearances. Who are these players you are talking about?
     
  17. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Walcott is a reasonable squad player who can hurt weaker sides.

    Surely the whole point is to have some Plan B type players.

    But he isn't good enough to be a starter
     
  18. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    To be fair, it has always been the case that the Vieira's and the Henry's and the Hlebs and the Flamini's will want to leave for Milan or Madrid or whatever

    It was ever so.
     
  19. antifan

    antifan Member+

    Aug 14, 2004
    The Scottie
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree, but the problem is Walcott thinks he's a superstar and wants to be paid accordingly.
     
  20. lamb

    lamb Member+

    Sep 3, 2004
    Larne, N.Ireland
    rosicky? 152 apps since 2006 (long injury times reducing total)
    djourou? 129 apps since 2004 (breakthrough year in 2006. long injury times reducing total)
    arshavin? 133 apps since 2009
    diaby? 158 apps since 2006 (long injury times reducing total)

    every one of the above has taken stick and yet still rack up the appearances when fit. you think wenger wouldn't have picked those wasters most of the time if he could? hell, he may have signed even less players had they not been out long term at times. all of them occasionally have done good jobs and more often than not sucked, including walcott. he just happens to have been fit at the right times more than the others (bar maybe arshavin).
     
  21. hughmanatee

    hughmanatee Member

    Aug 11, 2010
    Montréal
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Venezuela
    Absolutely. But you do get tired of watching your Adebayor's, Nasri's, Fabregas's and Toure's leave when/before they've peaked.
     
  22. hughmanatee

    hughmanatee Member

    Aug 11, 2010
    Montréal
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Venezuela
    How many appearances did Arshavin prove himself before he arrived at Arsenal, and can we count his performances with Russia?

    And Djourou is our 4th choice centerback, and I think he's proven he's no more, no less.

    To me, Rosicky is a player that I see on the pitch, and he looks good and productive, but he doesn't get assists or goals. He contributes, in his own way, but it's not enough. Walcott's place is finally at risk. He's still reasonably young and maybe will improve from competing with Miyaichi and Oxlade-Chamberlain.
     
  23. TxTechGooner

    TxTechGooner we're having fun here, no?

    Feb 24, 2003
    i think the attendance is going to be very interesting for that return leg against milan.
    especially if the fanbase has as much interest as i do.
     
  24. stoppre16

    stoppre16 Member

    Apr 19, 2007
    He is giving a specific example of how an Arsenal player might leave because they cannot afford to match the wages that Chelsea, Man City, Man Utd, etc. can offer. What more is there to comprehend? Please enlighten me.
     
  25. banco

    banco Member

    Mar 27, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I think one of the problems with our transfer targets is that we tend to buy a lot of young players from "bad" or "sub-standard" leagues. Take for example Joel Campbell. If we had waited to buy him and he went to a team like Atletico or Sevilla we get the benefit of seeing him play with better players in a better league. If he's a good enough player then you buy him. It would make his price higher obviously, but I figure it would save us paying younger player contracts that we can't move when we find out the player can't play at a higher level and keeps the squad size a lot more manageable. This policy could be bent for obvious C. Ronaldo, Messi level prodigies but I don't know if the club would be in for youth that would cost the same as established talent anyway.
     

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