FIFA has been trying to make the club world cup into a credible tornament, but it's not working. what if FIFA took the best teams out of individual league and did it like a regular champions league but global. they would have a series of prelim rounds to get to a group stage, then they would stage it like the UCL.
Re: FIFA champions league Find a way to lower prices on fuel and supersonic travel, then maybe. But currently, all that traveling is too expensive and time-consuming. The CWC involves every club in the world, what else do you want? They eliminate each other based on geography, but so what. This is the best format possible with current travel technology.
Re: FIFA champions league the CWC need become a 8 teams playoff, with everybody playing 3 games to become champions, a week long (9 days), weekeng game midweek game and weekend game. best 4 vs worst 4, UEFA-Conmebol-Concacaf-CAF vs OFC-Host-westAFC-EastAFC, by lottery.
Re: FIFA champions league today we have a 4 dates championship, this can upgrade this by use the NFL system clubs 12th to 9th vs clubs 8th to 5th of "world ranking", winners vs clubs 4th to 1st key A) 12 vs 5, winner vs 1 key B) 11 vs 6, winner vs 2 Key C) 10 vs 7 winner vs 3 Key D) 9 vs 8, winner vs 4 semi Key A vs Key D semi key B vs Key C third post losser 1st post game the winner let me try my 12 teams in 3 level 1-4 not exactly orden, we can use lottery EUFA champ Conmebol Champ Concacaf Champ Africa champ 5-8 not exactly orden, we can use lottery best west asia best east asia eufa Runner up Conmebol runner up 9-12 not exactly orden, we can use lottery host champion OFC champion host runner up Africa runner up sad and true, concacaf and OFC are not good enough to allow his runner up.
Re: FIFA champions league My guess is zero placements in the top three for 6 consecutive years now. As for this idea, we go through it every year. There is simply not the time (or financial incentive) right now for a larger format. And adding more UEFA clubs will only result in knock-out maches that mirror the UCL. The current format is fine for now.
I still think it would be best to do the club World Cup in the June-July World Cup time frame and only every 4 years. Alternate tournaments somewhat like this: year 1 continental Championship (nt) year 2 club world cup year 3 continental Championship (nt) year 4 World Cup (nt) That way you'd have the time to do a proper tournament. Something like 16 teams, the 4 previous continental champions of UEFA and CONMEBOL, 2 of the 4 previous continental champions of AFC, CAF and CONCACAF, and 1 of the OFC Champions (for AFC, CAF, CONCACAF and OFC there'd be a qualification) plus the current champion of the host team. As an example, if my system would be in play already, the UEFA EURO 2012 would have been moved to 2013 (or 2011). Next summer, we'd have the club world cup 2012 with these teams: UEFA: ManU (CL '08) Barcelona (CL '09) Internationale (CL '10) Porto (EL '11, replacing Barca as they are already qualified) CONMEBOL: LDU Quito (CL '08) Estudiantes (CL '09) Internacional (CL '10) Santos (CL '11) AFC: winner of Al Sadd (CL '11) vs Gamba Osaka (CL '08) winner of Seongnam (CL '10) vs Pohang Steelers (CL '09) CAF: TP Mazembe (CL '09 and CL '10, as 2time winner they avoid the playoffs) winner of Etoile Sportive (CL '11) vs Al Ahly (CL '08) CONCACAF: Pachuca (CL '08 and CL '10, as 2time winner they avoid the playoffs) winner of Atlante (CL '09) vs Monterrey (CL '11) OFC: 1 playoff rounds, first round Hekari Utd vs Waitekere Utd, 2nd round Auckland City (2time winner) vs winner of the first round And the Champion of the host country. For example LA Galaxy. Draw 4 groups with no 2 teams of 1 continent meeting each other in the group stage (host country champion has no continent for the purpose of the draw). Mock 2012 CWC under Cirdan rules (as fero did one as well) Group A 1 FC Barcelona 9 pts 2 LA Galaxy 4 pts 3 Pachuca 2 pts 4 LDU Quito 1 pt Group B 1 Santos 7 pts 2 Internationale 7 pts 3 Gamba Osaka 3 pts 4 Auckland City 0 pts Group C 1 Monterrey 7 pts 2 Porto 5 pts 3 Estudiantes 4 pts 4 TP Mazembe 0 pt Group D 1 Manchester United 7 pts 2 Internacional 6 pts 3 Etoile Sportive 2 pts 4 Pohang Steelers 1 pt QF: A1-B2: FC Barcelona - Internationale 2-0 B1-A2: Santos - LA Galaxy 1-0 C1-D2: Monterrey - Internacional 2-3 D1-C2: Manchester United - FC Porto 2-1 SF: FC Barcelona - Internacional 2-0 Santos - Manchester United 2-1 F FC Barcelona - Santos 2-1
In club football you have a lot of roster changes, unlike national teams. You would have clubs who don't even closely resemble the team that won its champions league, be it players or playing form. The CWC has to be annual.
Barca-Arsenal already occurred in CL KO. It wasn't given up. The CWC is about intercontinental play. Arsenal was already eliminated. There should be an FAQ stickied here for all the people who want the CWC to emulate the national team version. Club football and NT football are 2 different animals. Club football isn't meant for a big monthlong neutral site event. The club world championship was conceived for the top 2 continental champions. Now it's top 6 with the unfortunate host berth. But in no way was it meant for non-continental champions. To give continental losers a second chance is daft. They already had their chance. Let's keep the CWC cutthroat, as it should be.
I admit it's a huge drawback of my system, however I do not see how you could introduce a bigger tournament than the one that currently exists into the calendar annually. It would have to replace currently existing, more successfull tournaments, and that is not going to happen. Though switching the EURO a year backward or forward isn't particularly likely, either Maybe do the CWC in every odd year and play continental and world championships alternately in even years, but then you'd get problems with the other continental Championships, in particular those that are played out every other year right now.
if the CWC is play in Europe, everything fix, attendance rise a lot, like in UCL final it is in a neutral place but everybody can travel there, the 7th team the host gonna be a good one team, europe is "full" of arab, african and latiamerican people who sure love sing for his team in the CWC, last year ArgentinaNT-PortugalNT was full of argentinians and the game was in zwitserland.
Things being dismissed: - It's easy to move Copa America around but not the Euro since Euro involves qualifying games that start right after the WC. When Euros are done then WC qualifiers get under way. I don't see any way of moving it up or down unless the same qualifiers are used for Euro and WC. Don't see that happening just to make a CWC every 4 years. - The Confederation Cup already occupying the pre-WC summer.
December is the month, that is ok, maybe a week later, check this articles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Season_(sports)#Seasons_by_league http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_association_football_season
I don't think it would be practical, travel and jet-lag would be a killer. Imagine you have a domestic game on Sunday, travel 6,000 miles for a game on Wednesday, then back home for another game on Saturday. Maybe if they invent a teleporter. Also they'd have to weight the entrants like the current CL so there are more teams from the top leagues. There wouldn't be much interest in watching Barcelona beat Ongo Bongo FC 12-0 in the quarter finals.
My idea would be, just improve the Club World Cup without changing much. Here is an example. Following format requires at most 3 games total, except for the host and the OFC club of course. After the play-in round between the host and the OFC club, divide the six teams into two groups of three. Have a round-robin, meaning two games per club. Then have the group winners play for the Cup. Also you can add in a third-place game between the group runners-up.
Horrible and unfeasible idea. 1) If a Club World Cup with the best-of-the-best isn't attractive enough, well, a diluted one with many more weaker teams in the mix only is worse. 2) The European football season is already chock-full. No room for an expanded tournament. And no, not in summer either. Teams need the rest and training time. 3) The Club World Cup has to be hosted in one country. Why? Because a home-and-away format like for the UCL is logistically unfeasible. The distances are far far too great. 4) Europe certainly wouldn't want FIFA to gain real control over club football. No thanks. FIFA's monkey business when it gets to the World Cup is bad enough. The key to the CWC rising in status is an improvement of non-European clubs. CONMEBOL's (especially Brazil) is improving. So at least the final should be a reasonably interesting affair.
3-team groups are kind of awkward to work with. I don't know if the Mexican team has space in their calendar to travel even earlier to this tournament. Don't the FMF playoffs take place in mid-December? I also don't know why people are so eager to have more games like Barca v Al-Sadd. It was pretty much the worst match I've watched all year.
I don't see anything like a popular groundswell for such. The CWC is little more than a string of glorified exhibition games in lucrative markets outside of Europe. As long as the world's best clubs are concentrated in Europe, the CWC will always remain an afterthought. And as a European, I'm perfectly happy for the world of club football to keep revolving around Europe.
Why not enlarge the CL, to say 64 teams and bring in other clubs from around the world? You could have the last 8 each of the other continental competitions.
Same travel concerns. Why should Europe mess up its own competition? At the expense of European clubs? And make it less attractive to boot. And weaker. Not gonna fly. Good thing to.