England U-21 Discussions Thread #6 [R's]

Re: England U-21 Discussions Thread #6 Euro2011 [R's]

Well it would very much depend on the 2 people involved. For instance who's opinion would you take on a team out of Mourinho (who had watched 2 games) or Pearce (who'd watched the last 20 games)?

 

Re: England U-21 Discussions Thread #6 Euro2011 [R's]

If you criticise other opinions, especially in such a lazy and uninformed manner, then you should expect to have yours criticised in return. This is a discussion forum is it not?

 

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It doesn't matter, you always get people like that. I welcome it, in the hope that one day all these yanks will learn what football banter is.

 

Re: England U-21 Discussions Thread #6 Euro2011 [R's]

This is bollocks there have been plenty of posts in this very thread about individual player performances and mistakes. If you are too lazy to read them that's your fault.

There also other threads in this forum discussing wider development issues, so nobody is going to bother to repeat the same posts in here when the points have been made. Again, the fact that you are too lazy to read them is your fault, and just assuming nobody has mentioned them just because they haven't been put right under your nose makes you look a halfwit.

 

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Yeah, I was an immature brat back then. I apologize.

I agree with the general consensus that Pearce is to blame for most of this. I think that there is more to it. Hence the reason someone like Pearce is even in charge and is allowed to brag about that no.1 rant each time.

 

Re: England U-21 Discussions Thread #6 Euro2011 [R's]

I welcome any debate\discussion. Although I admit I'm a little thrown by the hostility. All this started because I said that I think the players should take some blame as well, and that it always (to me) seemed to be about Pearce. Then suddenly I'm "sounding off" and "lazy". Nice.

Edit: And you've taken the time to now edit your post and call me a "halfwit". charming.

 

Re: England U-21 Discussions Thread #6 Euro2011 [R's]

There is no general consensus of 'blaming' Pearce, only recognition that he as an individual is clearly not up to the task he has. Nobody is ignoring the wider developmental issues, or saying getting rid of him would miraculously cure the FA as a whole or lead to the U21s winning the tournament and playing perfect football.

There does seem to be a rather desperate attempt from people who do not regularly post in this forum to try and imply that '100% blame on the manager' is somehow the opinion here in order to troll posters.

 

Re: England U-21 Discussions Thread #6 Euro2011 [R's]

You claimed that posters in here were arguing that it was '100% the manager's fault' and weren't holding the players accountable at all. Trying to criticise people for voicing opinions which they had not done is both lazy and sounding off.

You blatantly hadn't bothered reading any of the posts, just came in to try and drop a dig at what you hoped to be the case. Now you complain about being called up on it.

 

Re: England U-21 Discussions Thread #6 Euro2011 [R's]

Pearce always goes on about being number 1 in Europe, I think it's so that part-time followers of the U-21's (I guess, people who only follow the side when we reach the finals) are given the impression that he's been doing a good job. He used to harp on about being undefeated before too.

But as soon as the shit hits the fan, he blames the players for not being good enough and is refusing to admit this tournament was a failure not just for player development, but now also for the "results"....results which was something he so diligently sought after but couldn't even achieve that.

 

Re: England U-21 Discussions Thread #6 Euro2011 [R's]

I read this and the last thread in its entirety. You are getting defensive, becoming hostile for no reason. You guys need to take a chill pill. The one guy who was called out, actually had a point. The only thing that follow in reply were cries of troll.

There is no desperate attempts to do anything. More people lurk on this thread than you seem to know. So claiming that people come out of nowhere its not totally accurate either.

As far as this entire campaign? I do blame Pearce because Im confident another manager would have done better [ie picked a better 23man roster, picked a better XI, used better tactics].

We can go on about Englands generational football flaws or whatever, but really this is just about this campaign as far as my opinions go in this thread.

 

Re: England U-21 Discussions Thread #6 Euro2011 [R's]

Not true at all.

Just read back from after the match in this thread. After reading the posts on Pearce's limitations (which are fair), I stated that I felt that some of the players should take some of the responsibility also, after some replies I stated that it just SEEMED like pearce was always getting 100% of the blame....at which point yourself and Sinner seemed to go ultra defensive and twist the tone of the debate. Bare in mind, I'm talking about the match we've just watched, that's what I was here to discuss.

I think some people on here are paranoid to the point you can't get in a discussion without thinking it's some sort of dig\troll. Anyway, I'll leave you guys to it.

 

Re: England U-21 Discussions Thread #6 Euro2011 [R's]

This.

 

Re: England U-21 Discussions Thread #6 Euro2011 [R's]

Classic Band of Brothers "I don't know if I want a quaker doing my fighting for me"

 

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There were sweeping generalizations and criticism being made of posters in here which were inaccurate and have been rightly called up on. Those who made them need to take responsibility for that and stop doing it, rather than crying 'paranoid' or 'defensive'.

Enough said.

 

Re: England U-21 Discussions Thread #6 Euro2011 [R's]

I said he had a point, I never said I agreed with him.