Young, Pacy, Creative And/Or Up&Coming? Hamburg Awaits You! - The Chelsea Transfer Thread

I wish I had more rolleyes because the above is one of the dumbest things I've read on this forum for ages. Looking at individuals without context is completely meaningless. We have had a ton of examples of players from Italy of all different types moving to England. Since Zola, none of them have succeeded. Hell, we've tapped that well multiple times for different sorts of players in the last few years and.....failed. So have lots of other clubs. Not examining Sanchez in this context is downright insane. OF COURSE it's risky. And given that Sanchez has spent time adapting to Italy already it's even more risky - players who move to and from Italy fail more than moves from/to any other league. (It's also no longer a top 3 league, but we can sidestep that issue.)
The point isn't that we never buy Italian again, the point is that it's really, really risky, and failing to acknowledge that is not only stupid, it's the very definition of insanity.

(Incidentally, the notion that we should instead compare Sanchez to players like Tevez is equally dumb - different country, different position, different style of play, different physique. Short of being born on the same continent and speaking Spanish they have nothing in common.)

 

So what if Chelsea have missed out on, Neymar? Its not as if he's the only talented player out there. Who knows with our luck, he'd probably get injured in a preseason match.

I'd honestly prefer a player like Hulk as a player who has the experience and ability to adapt to our league. We've generally been very successful with players coming from the Portuguese League. Also someone like Reus or Marin at AM, or Farfan in the wide forward department. Add Lukaku and De Bruyne and we are set for next season. If Kagawa or Goetze where available they'd be top of my list for Lamps potential replacements. If Jovetic regains his form after 6 months Chelsea could go for a January move.

 

Do you think Reus and Marin are good enough? Or Hulk? I'm genuinely asking. I think we need to get at least one "home run" type of creative player - we don't want to be Benitez's Liverpool who stockpiled solid mediocrities as if it was going out of style.

 

I haven't seen Reus enough. Marin I don't think would solve our problems. He is a good little player and would probably be an upgrade over what we have, but given our wing play, that is not saying a lot. Hulk I think could succeed. Not as well as he does in the Portuguese league but I think he has the physical tools to do well here.

And Ok, I really just want to get a kit that says 'Hulk' on the back.

 

What Chelsea need is pace and movement and player capable of talking people on; players who are capable of playing a quick one-two touch style game. Basically need players that are far more well-rounded in the attacking aspect. I'm all for going for the "home run player" but putting our eggs in one basket as we've done with Torres (who I hope will come good) and Sheva in the past, may not be the best course of action. What Chelsea lacked more than anything last season was in the squad depth department.

When the likes of Lamps, Drogba, and Malouda lost form our attack suffered in terms of its dynamism (a lot of our best attacks in the 2009/2010 title winning season involved this triumvirate). Chelsea have been overly reliant on the goals and assists from Lamps and while we've had solid replacements in the likes of Ballack, Deco and Crespo (neither of whom played in the best form, nor best position while at Chelsea) to score goals in the past, we missed those players last season. Sure we get go for a so-called "marquee signing" like Aguero or Neymar but if we spend all the transfer money we need a massive return on investment if we're going to get anything this season. I'd rather divide that money amongst 2 or 3 capable players that can cover the team in terms of depth AND quality.

We also lacked players who actually seemed to use their brain when they attack. I'm tired of the lack of rhyme or reason behind how we approach things in the attacking third. The amount of times we've lack cutting edge and ideas in and around the opposition box is incredible. What's more is that in the season before last we scored an incredible amount of tap in goals (as Utd did this season). Much of that was do to our pressuring in midfield and counterattack. Counterattacking requires above all else instinct and opportunity. The transition to a slower buildup really exposed our flaws in terms of movement and changes of tempo and most importantly, our ability to create chances with a combination of tempo and movement. There is a complete lack of synchronization in our football on the whole. Certainly on the left side with A.Cole, Malouda, and Lamps we have a bit more predictable, and effective moment but on the right and between the forwards, especially there are a lot of problems.

Having a quick look at Chelsea's forwards shows that, apart from Drogba, they are all good at one thing and average at every thing else. Malouda is decent all-around, but he lacks true pace and rarely takes players on. Anelka despite having the technique and speed doesn't take player on, plays far too deep, and despite masquerading as a "team player" does not play in a way that improves Chelsea's team play. Compare him to Eto'o, a player who had a similar role at Inter last season and at times this season, and it's night and day. Torres is a player who thrives on service and a player who is a second forward that his willing to feed passes to him. While he's got more dimensions to his game but fundamentally is the last shoulder type striker. To create for him you players capable of getting close enough to feed him and quick enough upstairs to see his runs and skillful enough to execute a pass to match that run. We don't have a plethora of those type of players, and the one's we do have are getting on. Kalou has decent pace and skill on the ball, but he doesn't know what he's doing half the time.

So in short, Yes, I think Reus, Marin, and Hulk are good enough. All three offer that combination of Pace, Dribbling, and Movement we've been missing. Above all they're clever players. They don't rely on one skill to get the job done. That being said they are one attribute that sets them apart, Marin with his pace and dribbling, Hulk with his pace and power, and Reus with his pace/movement off the ball. People are calling for AJ from Man City and while I think he's a solid player, I think he'll be found out at Chelsea quite easily. He's certainly capable of beating a player by cutting inside and out from the right but can he do that on the other flank. If he's double marked, how will he fair. I'd honestly prefer someone like Lennon if we're going for Prem players.

 

I nominate okocha1 for manager.

 

Arda Turan & Guus Hiddink.
(rumours in Istanbul media).

it says, He will bring Arda Turan to the Chelsea together.

regards,

 

saying something twice, only with more icons, does not make it correct

 

My wife disagrees...

 

You really hate him that much?

 

Absolute nonsense... he's made FAR more idiotic posts on here on loads of occasions.

See lobo... I'm, sticking up for yer mate

Nah, I understand what you're saying nic but I think sanchez is a player that would help us a lot. Of course, now I've said that we'll buy him and he'll turn out to be one of the shit ones

 

There are plenty of creative strikers, attacking midfielders and wingers out there. Once Guus is hired, I'm totally confident we'll be seeing some of them at the Bridge. I'm not ruling out ANYBODY. And Chelsea will be better bext season than last. Gourley hinted at maybe three new players. Three can make a big difference. Can't wait!

 

yea...thanks for your...er... support* Naughty mate, with support like that ...well I'd be a Chelsea striker from last season



* not disputing of course the validity of your first statement

 

neymar is the most remarkable talent i have seen in a very long time, his quality is akin to the messi, di maria, and even christina category and hes sooo young

tbh i dont think hulk comes close to him and it pains me that were not getting these superior players, especially since we were heavily linked with them

 

Yaroni, you dont have to be in pain till Sept 1 comes and none of the "superior players" aren't here, till then step back from the ledge.

 

I would not be happy to see him go...I feel like he could replace JT in the starting lineup within a season or two.

 

God, I hope this doesnt happen. With Bruma going out on loan we are still going into the season with just 3 cb's (with JT being 30 and Bob not necessary acclimated to the Prem). If he leaves, we would have to buy and we could use those funds to help fix our attacking decencies.

 

Alex turns 29 in two days, so we should cash in if we can get a good fee for him. It's not like he's a young guy waiting for Terry to bow it. That said, if he leaves then we're in the market for possibly two defenders (fullback and centerback). I guess it really all depends on what happens with Bos and Paulo.

 

This is really "other teams" but I just wanted to post this as a response to Okocha's post on Marin and Reus.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/s...rebuffed-by-werder-winger-marko-marin?cc=5901

 

I hope Alex doesn't go, he has been very good in CB for us especially when Terry has been out. We would be in the market for quite a few defenders if he does go, as bos and paulo could be off too also bertrand may go to hamburg (seeing as everyone else seems to be) we have PVA as a full back but if bos and paulo go we have no sub RB.

 

In the thread before I said something about pondering a cheeky, continental bid for Alex. But that was thinking Bruma would be around SW6... Gotta keep him now.

 

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