The 2010/2011 Season Thread Part 2 | "For The Holidays, Everyone Gets Five Goals"

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  1. Imperador3

    Imperador3 Member

    Apr 30, 2010
    Club:
    Aris Saloniki
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
  2. Gilmango

    Gilmango Member+

    Jul 20, 2006
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not sure where is best to post this, but don't think it gets its own thread just yet, and hopefully this fades quietly. BUT news of the day is that Spain has been invited to replace Japan (who dropped out) as a guest team in the Copa America. Villar wants to go but the decision is up to the board and perhaps they'd need buy in from the teams (I don't really know about that).

    http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/news/_/id/6295916/spain-mulls-taking-vacant-spot-copa-america

    PLEASE don't make Spain play this summer. It is enough that our South American players will be playing from about July 1-24th or so (and tuning up before then), please let our 8 Spanish NT players have a couple weeks off.
     
  3. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    There was some rumors that if Spain does participate they would possibly send an U-23 squad. But it's believed that Costa Rica is more favored by CONMEBOL.
     
  4. jcvf90

    jcvf90 Member

    Dec 12, 2006
    Boca Raton, FL
    Costa Rica would also have to send an U-23 side. The same way Mexico will.
    I know it's off topic, but CONMEBOL should stop inviting people, and just have two groups of 5, with the top two place of each group going to a semi-final. I guess Conmebol just cannot live w/o that Mexican money.
     
  5. manyfaces

    manyfaces Member

    Feb 4, 2004
    SF Bay Area
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Copa America should merge with the Gold Cup. I'd be happy if they just took the CONCACAF Hex and added it to the 10 CONMEBOL members for four groups of four.
     
  6. jcvf90

    jcvf90 Member

    Dec 12, 2006
    Boca Raton, FL
    It messes up the whole Confederations thing, and Jack Warner would want some power, and Conmebol won't want to lose any power etc...Way too many politics involved.
     
  7. manyfaces

    manyfaces Member

    Feb 4, 2004
    SF Bay Area
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's problem #1 with the international game now.

    To be clear, I was just talking about the Copa America, not World Cup qualifying. I kind of like the current qualifying setup since it almost guarantees meaningful USA-Mexico games and does guarantee meaningful Brazil-Arg games

    But the Gold Cup is a joke. And non-CONMEBOL participation in the Copa America is also a joke. So why not fix both and make it a true Copa America.

    Yeah, I know it won't happen...
     
  8. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
    Capitol Hill
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You could have just said the two words I bolded, and that would be objection enough. :) What a tool that man is.
     
  9. W.Lewin

    W.Lewin Member

    Aug 5, 2010
    So, what is the word on Captain Caveman ? He is supposed to return against Almeria.
     
  10. b4rcelona

    b4rcelona Member

    May 9, 2009
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    hope he is back.. i cant see busquets stopping lpb for 4 games as a CB. lol
     
  11. El_Huero

    El_Huero Member+

    Dec 21, 2009
    EduarDitto "The Pelé of Anal"
    Club:
    CDSC Cruz Azul
    eff that. Copa America + Mexico is as good as its gonna get. And the hex should stay as is.
     
  12. Dr. Know

    Dr. Know Member+

    Dec 5, 2005
    Macondo
    That's probably the least popular thing you can say among South Americans. Nobody wants that. Inviting some teams is ok like Mexico usually since they provide a challenge, USA last year and Japan this year. But combining both is like insulting someone's mother to some people. It will never happen.
     
  13. jcvf90

    jcvf90 Member

    Dec 12, 2006
    Boca Raton, FL
    TBH Conmebol has enough teams to do it on their own. Money is just more important than keeping things serious.

    The format I outlined earlier, would only have 2 less games, but it would only have Conmebol teams, which I think it's more important.

    For example, this year it will be almost a joke with Conmebol scrambling to get a team to play, and Mexico (one of the strongest competitors in the competition for a while) only being able to bring what is essentially an u-22 squad. It just takes away from the teams that beat that Mexico team, and whomever gets invited last second.
     
  14. manyfaces

    manyfaces Member

    Feb 4, 2004
    SF Bay Area
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe I should have said absorb the Gold Cup rather than merge... Seems to me that ensuring full-strength Mexico and USA squads would both add to the competition and make it more lucrative financially.

    But yeah, either CONMEBOL-only or bring in enough clubs from another confederation to make it a legitimate tournament for the guest teams.
     
  15. Dr. Know

    Dr. Know Member+

    Dec 5, 2005
    Macondo
    Mexico will bring an U-22 team? Maybe because they know they'll never win it.

    The fact is that people are very protective of what is the oldest team footy competition in the world and they don't want it mixed with some shitty CONCACAF teams. Plus there is really no advantage to having it mixed with teams like Trinidad and Tobago. There is no reason for them to unite both. It won't make a difference, the Copa America is still super popular and has enough people supporting it. They don't need to bring outside conferences.
     
  16. Rana catesbeiana

    Mar 11, 2008
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    When it comes to combining things, the one thing that ought to be changed is that they should combine the South and North American World Cup qualifying groups and give one more place to that group, while taking one place away from the African group. This based on how easy it is for Mexico and USA to qualify and how the American and African teams did at the last World Cup.

    As far as Barcelona's season is concerned: beat LPB in all fields and we're double champions with a place in the CL final. Could be a very memorable season.
     
  17. jcvf90

    jcvf90 Member

    Dec 12, 2006
    Boca Raton, FL
    No at all, (and I hate to defend Mexico, but they've been closer to winning it than alot of the Conmebol teams not named Argentina or Brazil.) they have to bring an U-22 side plus 5 above the age because Concacaf won't let them. See they understand having teams from other confeds in a tournament about your confederation is just not right. For Mexico, only winning the Gold Cup will take them to the Confed cup in 2013.

    Conmebol have not been protective at all of the Copa America since 1993. Inviting teams outside your region. BTW in 2001 two Concacaf teams ended in the top 3, and Honduras did it with a B team because it was a last second call. BTW Venezuela and Bolivia sure are world beaters, not shitty at all. :rolleyes:

    And sorry for derailing this Thread, mods move it where it need be move.
     
  18. Dr. Know

    Dr. Know Member+

    Dec 5, 2005
    Macondo
    That will never happen either. It would probably cause a riot. And if it happens it would be much harder for the US to qualify so I don't know why any American would want it. Playing Ecuador, Bolivia, and Peru in huge altitudes is very hard. Just look at what Bolivia did to Argentina in the last qualifiers. And both Brazil and Argentina have lost in Quito. You have to take long buses along mountains to get to some of those stadiums plus the huge altitude. It's really hard on the players.
     
  19. Dr. Know

    Dr. Know Member+

    Dec 5, 2005
    Macondo
    Mexico have made some good runs but they've never really been close to winning it.

    CONMEBOL invite teams since there aren't many teams in CONMEBOL in the first place. But believe me people are very protective and get very agitated if it were to be combined with the Gold Cup. A lot of people don't even like Mexico in the tournament.

    They aren't world beaters but playing Bolivia in Bolivia is very hard. But I don't see how that's relevant to what you're arguing.
     
  20. jcvf90

    jcvf90 Member

    Dec 12, 2006
    Boca Raton, FL
    2001, 1993. Pretty close.


    If they don't want the idea thrown around, they should advocate for an only Conmebol Copa. Again my format on the previous page only has two less games than the current system with Conmebol teams. It's the money they don't want to lose from Mexico though, so being protective is not as important as the $$$ from the Mexican tv.

    You said shitty Concacaf team, and well Bolivia is tough in Bolivia, but 1/10 Copa is played in Bolivia. Bolivia being a team below the US, Mexico, Honduras and Costa Rica, and on par with T&T and Jamaica if you ask me. Pretty much the normal Hex teams of Concacaf.

    All I am saying is that, no Conmebol is not as protective. They could organize a great tournament w/o any invitees. It's not about protection not having it with Concacaf, its about convenience. Which is fine, but its not about protectiveness at all.
     
  21. Dr. Know

    Dr. Know Member+

    Dec 5, 2005
    Macondo
    Pretty close? No dude.

    The money isn't an issue for the Copa America. It's not like the Libertadores where they invite Mexican teams just for money. The Copa America has always been extremely popular and they have TV rights around the world so they don't need the money.

    Bolivia beat Argentina 6-1 in the last qualifiers. Do you think any of those teams are capable of beating Argentina 6-1? Even if it was in Bolivia? Jamaica???? Argentina could play Honduras in Honduras and they still won't lose 6-1.

    I'm not talking about CONMEBOL the organization I'm talking about the people. They are very fickle regarding these things. The people would get pissed. That's simply a fact.
     
  22. jcvf90

    jcvf90 Member

    Dec 12, 2006
    Boca Raton, FL
    What is pretty close then? 2nd place twice is better than what many of the Conmebol countries have done. That is a fact.

    The biggest Spanish speaking football tv Market in the America's is Mexico, by a mile. One of the biggest in the world. The money is huge there. Specially because Mexico plays. Conmebol care about that money alot.[/QUOTE]

    Are we talking WCQ or CA? Bolivia outside of La Paz are shit. 1/10 Copas are played there. It is irrelevant if they are used to the Altitude when they have to play the next two copas in the Argentine plains and the Brazilian beaches.

    Where is the uproar for having Mexico and another invitee? No one makes a fuss about it, specially now when they will probably get to beat up on the U-22 mexican team (and the go on to brag about it) and team that has to get ready for a tournament last second, because Conmebol refused to get rid of invitees and just play it amongst themselves. Where is the uproar? Protective? yeah right.
     
  23. manyfaces

    manyfaces Member

    Feb 4, 2004
    SF Bay Area
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Completely against this. It sounds good in principle. But the result will be worse games, not better ones. Seeding will keep the better teams apart and the only hard games will be ones in crappy pitches on islands or at elevation.

    Current CONMEBOL qualifying is stacked with good games. And the CONCACAF hex isn't too bad either.

    Yes. In the past couple decades, Costa Rica, Honduras, USA, Canada, and Mexico have all been invited to the Copa America. It's not surprising that many people are thinking that CONCACAF should be brought in officially.
     
  24. Pingudo

    Pingudo New Member

    Nov 18, 2003
    Santa Cruz
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Copa America should be played with South American teams only. Conmebol is the only confederation who invites teams from other regions. If Mexico, Costa Rica, Honduras and other countries want to play in Copa America they should just join Conmebol.
     
  25. jcvf90

    jcvf90 Member

    Dec 12, 2006
    Boca Raton, FL
    I don't think any of those countries would like to join Conmebol. Their chances of qualifying go down.

    What I advocate is that Conmebol have their own tournament on their own, for their own good.
     

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