We're about to get taken to a dream world of magic - Transfer Thread

Yeah, he's great at running forward, too bad nothing ever comes of it once he gets there.

 

*shrugs* blame arsene for foregoing wingers and asking a left back to be an attacking left winger as well as trying to defend. you want fab crosses and incisive attacking play i'd suggest using an attacking midfielder or a forward for the job, not rely on a defender.

 

We've been using attacking wingers for years, dunno where you've been. As much as i hate to say it, Cashly didn't have a problem chiping in with the occasional goal or assist. Clichy has one goal and one assist total in the past two seasons. And his defending is suspect at times.

 

We don't have any wingers... I agree with Lamb there...

 

Price quoted is 10mil. no way

 

he's no denilson...

 

and it worked for a while with the right players. it sometimes works now too, but when our defence is a major weak spot where do you think wenger should place the priority for a left back's attentions? it damn well shouldn't be stuck up around the opposition's corner flag when we are suckers for letting in counter attack goals.
asking clichy to concentrate on his defending would seem to be more important than constantly asking him to get out and cross the ball, especially when, as you say, he isn't the best player to be doing it. get the damn midfielders to do that instead of tripping over each other on the edge of the box passing sideways.
wenger wants a work class jack of all trades for the full back positions and there aren't many of those out there, nevermind in the arsenal squad. it's asking too much imo, doing neither the team usually or the player many favours.

cole got away with it because, let's be honest, cole was a much better player and had better players around him who you could rely on to cover him properly.

 

yah that amount is offensive actually.

 

Is he always on your brain? No clue why you had to mention him


All I will say is that their is a reason why Zidane only won two league titles at Madrid and Juve, and why both teams got better after he left

Rivaldo was better in their primes... Dinho was better in their primes, and I think Messi and Cronaldo have been better (more consistent at least and more devastating individually)

don't want to get into this discussion though but Zidane, IMO, shouldn't be in the Maradona, Pele, Garrincha class

should be with the 2nd tier greats

 

zidane is the best player of my generation.
not rivaldo.. not ronaldinho (this was a joke right?)

you rate a spare like denilson (yes prince he is ALWAYS on my mind), and think the best player in a generation is overrated. speaks volumes about you. time to hit some youtube clips so you could of actually seen him play maybe..

 

I never saw him play enough to make such distinct opinions as that, but from what I've seen he could produce moments of brilliance that very few can and could run a midfield so elegantly.

 

Denilson is clearly on your mind constantly when you mention him (and mentioned him again) in a conversation about how great Zidane was, when no one brought him up, so the question must be asked...

Ronaldinho from 2004-2007 was completely devastating for the best team in the world... He won everything and starred while doing so... Zidane should be seen as better because he didn't fall off like Dinho has

Rivaldo was devastatig for Barca as well when at his best and had a world cup in 2002 that was brilliant but forgotten due to his incident in the Turkey match... He scored a goal in every game that tournament, sans the final

Ronaldo was a freak of nature before his body broke down on him and damn near won the 1998 world cup on his own for an average Brazil side before he had the issue at the final... And then still was the best in the world afterwards

For this talk about Zizou being the player of his generation, Henry actually won more French player of the year honors than Zidane... And this is when Zidane was in his prime


I think Ronaldo was the player of that generation, but it's whatever... It's all opinions, that's why we are on here

 

Man... What's happened around here? People want to sell Clichy and Sagna... Both are good players and there are not many if any available options to replace them that would be better.

A simple tactical change that keeps both of them home in defence a little more often or at least further back on the pitch would seem to do the trick. Clichy has a better cross from distance than he does from tthe corner flag anyway.

Anywho... I saw somewhere that we were linked with Ochoa from Club America. I really rate the guy and would like to have him but the fact that he has never played in Europe would worry me a bit.

 

I think it won't be long before Gibbs is better than Clichy. He played really well for the England youth team over the summer.

 

I agree. Zindane was good, but I don't think he was the best. However, I do think he was much better than Rivaldo. Messi probably will be better as well. Gay Ronaldo has his work cut out for him to pass Zindane but its possible (I don't think he'll do it). Ronaldinho was better but was good for a much shorter period. It's hard to judge that....but to bring tie this topic into the thread..I'd say that I'd gladly take any of them (in their prime that is).

EDIT: You've basically addressed it all in post #387. I still disagree about Rivaldo though.

 

you are taking 3 year snipits of a career.
obviously you never watched zidane in the 90's.
really for a totally different forum...

i used to think i knew everything when i was your age too.
sooooooo transfer rumours...

 

If we could have gotten Ronaldinho a work permit

 

Juve fans did not like Zidane, and he was complimentary to Del Pierro before the knee injury...

unless we are talking about his Bordeaux days... I have to plead ignorance there... I don't think Ligue 1 was regarded that highly though back then, but maybe it was... I can't comment about it

the other thing about Zidane, he was brilliant at Euro 2000, but he let his teams down so much with stupid actions

 

take it to PM's... nobody wants to read this bro.

 

and yaya toure, and kept Sporting's big mouth shut about the other ronaldo...

 

And for a low price of £15 million.

Especially since Wenger has said he won't be getting a new deal.

 

http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Footbal...neijder_and_Robben_have_sparked_interest.aspx

sorry boss, should have nabbed sneijder or robben that time instead of regretting it now

Higuain please. VDV would be a bonus. Gago is an upgrade from denilson and can give some depth in DM position. Metzelder too.. heck get em all


And in the keeper department, it seems arsene is signing a keeper that is a good shot stopper but doesnt really emphasize on the mental part and also the aerial part of the game - ala fabianski, almunia. He needs someone who has utmost confident in themselves .. remember jens? and our young polish goalier Wojschecnyhudfg seems to be in the same mold. Not sure about Mannone tho but he seemed to be like someone who can deal with aerial ball well

and joe hart? a good shot stopper sure, but how good is he in handling pressure and what bout crossses?

 

ronaldiho won 2 la liga titles, 1 balloon d'or and 2 fifa world player of the year titles.
zidane won 2 serie a, 1 la liga, 2 balloon d'or and 3 fifa world player of the year titles.

 

I never really watched Zidane club play that much, but I know Zidane was godly whenever he laced up for les bleus. I think that adds considerably to his legacy, exploits for both club and country. Mishaps be damned, it wont sully his rep, at least in a french supporters eyes. I can say that Zidane > Ronaldinho, Ronaldo I can't comment on.

 

Have we ever? I just struggle to think of how many true wingers we have ever had. We always had speedy wide players but their game was typically one that involved attacking at angles but the typical winger who was employed for crossing doesn't seem to describe too many of the guys from the past.

Maybe I am just being forgetful or defining "winger" differently but I feel like the way that our wide players today play isn't that dissimilar to how Reyes, Overmars, Parlour, or the others played. I think Walcott is probably the closest thing to a typical winger on the side. I don't think we are missing players of a certain style, I think we are lacking players of a higher quality and ambition.

When I watch old matches, I feel like the wide players were not impressed by one defender between him and the goal. They just had more ambition and less fear. I think part of that might be the lack of physicality. When you are afraid of being pushed off the ball, you aren't going to be ambitious, you are going to be tentative. Tentative gets you 10 passes and no final product.