Best striker in CONCACAF?

Discussion in 'CONCACAF' started by Giggs06, Feb 19, 2003.

  1. LA Aztecs OG

    LA Aztecs OG New Member

    May 28, 2003
    BEATING THE QUAKES
    McBride.


    simple easy answer.

    Scores in MLS, EPL, for USMNT.
     
  2. Danks81

    Danks81 Member

    May 18, 2003
    Philadelphia
    Landon Donovan.
     
  3. fatmaradona

    fatmaradona New Member

    Dec 15, 2002
    the Anschutz ranch
    yeah, I was surprised not to see him there. I think I would have voted for him.
     
  4. gohb

    gohb Member

    Apr 27, 2001
    If they're all healthy, Wanchope, followed by Donovan and Radzinski.
     
  5. plissken666

    plissken666 New Member

    Nov 19, 2003
    nanaimo
    radzinski far and away is the best striker.he has six goals in the premiership this season and is on pace to score 12-15 goals.there is nobody in concacaf better over the last couple of years.
     
  6. Bizzo

    Bizzo New Member

    Sep 24, 2002
    toronto
    Radzinski.
    Proven scorer in Premiership & in Champions League.
     
  7. Crazy_Yank

    Crazy_Yank Member

    Jan 8, 2001
    Matamoros, Mexico
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Onandi Lowe is crap and shouldn't be mentioned with players who have proven themselves at the top levels. Lowe scored a grand total of 3 MLS goals during his one season. He's nothing journeymen MLS defenders can't handle. So what if he can score in England's 4th division. Donovon, Radzinski, and Borghetti and top 3.
     
  8. Jeffrey S

    Jeffrey S New Member

    Jul 2, 2002
    Barcelona
    With this list, you can only pick Other: Radzinski.

    He is the only Concacaf striker who has been scoring regularly in a top flight league, with the recent exception of Dely Valdes. Add to that the fact that his team has a lot of strikers and even then are not a scoring power.

    People who pick Landon Donovan deserved to be derided, not because he is not a fine player, but because if you are really so convinced about Landon you'd be ridiculing his immature fear of taking the next step, which is the only possible way you could be proven right. I would bet on Landon Donovan for maybe a 8-10 goals year on a good top flight team in Spain like Betis or Mallorca, but until he decides to prove his worth he is not even in the top ten for me.
     
  9. Saeyddthe

    Saeyddthe Member

    Sep 5, 2003
    St. Looney ^the CB&J
    I think Donovan needs to let go of mommies nipple, but unfortunately, I also think he's the best player in Concacaf. *shrug*
    And I would be harping on him to go overseas, but he's already stated his intention to stay in the US one more season...And I prefer live horses you know.....
     
  10. chuckinca

    chuckinca Member

    Feb 17, 2003
    San Jose Bay Area
    Agreed - Donovan is the best player in the region

    Best Striker has gotta be Twellman
     
  11. Hecho en Mexico

    Hecho en Mexico Member+

    Mar 22, 2002
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Who? :confused:

    :D
     
  12. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, you have lots of choices.

    Dely Valdes is playing in Uruguay. The question is not who is playing the best in a top-flight league. The question is who is the best striker. There are a lot of ways to prove that -- at the interntational level, by dominating a lower league or by succeeding in a top flight league. Sure a star in a top league beats one in a lower league, but Radzinski is a mediocre forward in the EPL. Donovan is a great player in a weaker league. It's a judgment call, and based on the fact that Donovan is better than McBride who succeeded nicely in the EPL, Donovan is my choice.

    I would deride couch warriors like you who think they can tell Landon Donovan how to live his life. Landon's life is not about making you feel good.

    Well that says a lot more about your issues than it does Donovan.
     
  13. Jeffrey S

    Jeffrey S New Member

    Jul 2, 2002
    Barcelona
    Ooh, aren't you touchy. Look, you cannot judge how good a forward is unless you look at where he is playing and how good the opponents are. Style of play is also a factor.

    This is why I rank Dely Valdes. For about 4-5 years he was scoring 15 a year in top flight Spain, first Oviedo then Málaga. Radzinski does not have as good numbers in England, though should score a dozen this year. That is not "mediocre", that is "good". Ruud and Shearer and Henry are in the excellent category. In Belgium Radz was scoring champ (plus 20) apart from scoring in Champions (like in that famed Anderlecht win over Man Utd).

    Can you honestly tell me that my assessment of Landon is unfair? Do you really think he'd score more than 10 in England or Spain? The only basis to think that he could be a top striker is by looking at his scoring for the US vs. good competition, which does suggest he'd be okay. (Mind you, Radzinski has scored, in away friendlies, vs. Scotland, Czech Republic and Finland in the last year, apart from missing about 4 clear chances in Canada's last friendly in Dublin).

    If you have ever watched good 2nd tier leagues like Holland or Portugal, you'll see that the defences are not as tight, that players have more time on the ball, more room to run, and that the top clubs can dominate the weaker ones more easily. I feel the same about MLS, where Landon is a top player (though don't you want to attribute part of his success to be on a championship team, where service is better and goal scoring quite well balanced?). Put him in a tougher competition and he would surely be one of what you call the "mediocre" players, and if he worked at it he may even end up being good. But that is just speculation.

    After all, don't you Landon-lovers really want him to prove his worth on a stellar stage? And doesn't he want to make 5 times more money? Listening to this illusive talk is like listening to those odd basketball fans in Europe -there are really few of them, mind you- arguing that the top players on the continent are as good as top NBA players. But 95% of knowledgable basketball fans know that you could never argue the worth of Bodiroga, best player on the last World Champ team in Indianapolis, unless he makes the jump to the NBA. It is a question of not letting your status as a fan lead you to ridiculous conclusions.
     
  14. jd2084

    jd2084 New Member

    Aug 1, 2001
    Rhode Island
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Champions League? I'm not sure when that was. Everton haven't been in the CL in any of the years I've watched (last 4 or 5).
     
  15. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not really. It's just that at times I like to respond in a direct manner to posts that I think are stupid.

    Of course, you can. It's what scouts and managers do for a living. It's what fans can do too, just without the credibility. And yes, the quality of the league is a factor. It's just not the only factor. My reasoning is that a great player in a decent league is being compared to a decent player in a great league. I resolve this by going with the guy that has the better international record and who my eyes tell me is better.

    Actually, Dely Valdes scored 9, 9, 10, 17, 11 and 10 goals in six seasons in Spain -- at least in league matches. But if your math tells you that is 15 per season for four years, OK, whatever.

    Your opinion, not mine. Statistics are not the only thing in soccer and for me, Radz is in the middle of the pack for EPL forwards. Which is not a bad thing.

    Good we agree that Radz is not "excellent."

    Yes, Radz was a very good player in a mediocre/good league.

    Donovan could ride pine or he could be a star. I honestly don't know. Obviously, I think he will be closer to the star end of the spectrum, but I could be wrong.

    You could try watching games.

    WOW!

    Fair enough.

    They didn't win anything until Donovan showed up.

    Yes, it is speculation (yours not mine) but that's what the question calls for -- speculation in comparing players who play in different leagues and are rarely on the same field together.

    Sure, I do, but it is not my life but HIS. And I think there is a very strong argument that his development as a player at this stage of his career has been helped immensley by being the MAN at San Jose instead of a squad player at a Euro squad.

    I don't know if he would and I don't care if he does and I care even less whether he wants to.

    I thought we agreed that Radzinski is not a top EPL player. If that is the case, your analogy is wrong.

    I would look at it differently. All the people that predicted Dirk Nowitsky would be a star before he came to the NBA are lot smarter than guys like you who said lets wait and see. Anyway, forgetting about bore ball, it is not ridiculous to argue that a top player in a mediocre league is better than a mediocre player in a top league. It's a reasonable opinion, the type that this board was designed to air.
     
  16. Bizzo

    Bizzo New Member

    Sep 24, 2002
    toronto
    When he was with Aderlecht he played in the Champions League. He and Jan Koller were the strikers together.
     
  17. Saeyddthe

    Saeyddthe Member

    Sep 5, 2003
    St. Looney ^the CB&J
    Radz - @12 goals/ 38 games = .316 GpGa
    McBride - 4 goals/ 8 games = .500 GpGa
     
  18. Bizzo

    Bizzo New Member

    Sep 24, 2002
    toronto
    Are you trying to say that McBride wasn't good enough to play more than 8 games??
     
  19. Saeyddthe

    Saeyddthe Member

    Sep 5, 2003
    St. Looney ^the CB&J
    No, just saying that ever since McBride left, Everton's sucked...
     
  20. Captain Canuck

    Captain Canuck New Member

    May 13, 2002
    Actually just to clarify, Radz didn't score against the Scots, that was De Rosario. But he did score twice against the Swiss in St. Gallen, in addition to his strikes against the Finns & the Czechs. He's scored 4 goals in his last 5 games for Canada, all on the road against decent European teams, and yes, could have had a hat-trick in Ireland. He seems to miss quite a few chances at club & country level, but he does generate quite a significant number, especially for a player who doesn't have a great midfield behind him at club or country level.
     
  21. Wounded Buffalo

    Wounded Buffalo New Member

    Dec 21, 2003
  22. United20

    United20 Member

    Feb 26, 2001
    New York City
    Donovan. Why? He has done so much in such little time. I agree with anyone that says Landon has not done it in a top-flight league. Fine. But is there any bigger stage than the WC? No. Landon has competed and performed on WC level. He will get his chance in the EPL.
     

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