George Bush & Copa America?

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by cosmosRIP, Dec 16, 2003.

  1. norfcath

    norfcath New Member

    Aug 17, 2000
    Philadelphia
    In the future, with Dean as president, there will be no question that the States will enter competitions like Copa America. His kids played soccer. (Geez, I hope no one calls me a radical leftist!)
     
  2. Wolves_67

    Wolves_67 Member

    Oct 27, 2002
    Pasadena, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    George Bush Sr. was a star forward in college. I guess he didn't keep up with the game or pass a love of the game on to Jr. or perhaps Jr. would just say; "I don't wanna hear about that sissy game", like many of his generation.
     
  3. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    You can say that W.Bush is tied with MLB....
     
  4. Davids26

    Davids26 Member

    May 31, 2000
    Is this true of Senior? I'd never heard that, thats why I ask. I though Senior was a baseball man like his son?
     
  5. UxSxAxfooty

    UxSxAxfooty Member+

    Jan 23, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jolly good. And we'll get the blasted Soviet Union, as well.
     
  6. Wolves_67

    Wolves_67 Member

    Oct 27, 2002
    Pasadena, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've read it twice so I guess it's true. I think it was even posted on this site a couple of other times and with more detail.
     
  7. Wolves_67

    Wolves_67 Member

    Oct 27, 2002
    Pasadena, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Okay.. I found this excerpt from his bio with his college sporting career..

    Captain of Soccer (1941)

    Manager of Basketball (1941)

    All-club Soccer (1938)

    Varsity Soccer Squad (1939-41)
     
  8. InnocentBystander

    InnocentBystander New Member

    Jan 25, 2000
    Boston
    This just in from BigPolitics.com:

    Why do Republicans think that everyone else is a liberal? The last I heard, the whole country is right of center.

    Are the 27 last remaining liberals in this country all soccer fans? Is that why the stands at Spartan stadium are always empty?
     
  9. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    Perhaps it was from seeing the name Bush in all the previous posts, but when i read this, for some reason my mind saw "Bush" where "Arena" was written. I laughed.

    Imagine how great it would be if our politicians were that aware of the soccer situation.

    "Bush knows that qualifying is much more important than Copa America and he wants to let the MLS teams have their players for most of the season, for a change."
     
  10. UxSxAxfooty

    UxSxAxfooty Member+

    Jan 23, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm reminded of Henry Kissenger.
     
  11. InnocentBystander

    InnocentBystander New Member

    Jan 25, 2000
    Boston
    OK, footy... You trumped my nonsense with your own. Tell us. What's Henry Kissenger got to do with it?
     
  12. jd2084

    jd2084 New Member

    Aug 1, 2001
    Rhode Island
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm sure all the Peruvians need to do is send a couple hundred grand to Bush's campaign fund and he will tell his puppets in congress to pass a law forcing the national team to play. Isn't that how everything works when you're a conservative?
     
  13. greenbill

    greenbill New Member

    Apr 30, 2003
    York, PA
    I can't remember if the USSF ever made this public or not, but:

    What were their official reasons for declining to go? MLS season conflict?
     
  14. UxSxAxfooty

    UxSxAxfooty Member+

    Jan 23, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's a nice pic.

    Kissenger, other than being Secretary of State under Nixon, is an avid soccer fan, IIRC.

    Really has no bearing on any of this, but yeah.

    I'm surprised Peru is going to such great lengths to get us in. How much monetary benefit can there be?
     
  15. UxSxAxfooty

    UxSxAxfooty Member+

    Jan 23, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not quite. It goes both ways. LBJ played Congess like a fiddle, whereas Reagan had to deal with a Democratic majority in both houses.

    Plus, Bush can't get his judge nominations approved by Senate. Well, he can get them approved, the Dems just won't let him.

    So, no I don't think thats how everything works when you're conservative.
     
  16. Wolves_67

    Wolves_67 Member

    Oct 27, 2002
    Pasadena, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This isn't the political forum but this piece of info is so full of crap I had to say something.
    ALL but a few of Mr. Bush's nominations have been approved. If you checked your facts you would find that the approval rate for Bush's nominations is greater than it was for Clinton and the Republicans gave Clinton a much harder time with his nominations. It's a small handful in comparison to the total numbers of nominations as it always is.
    It's a big bunch on total BS.
     
  17. nancyb

    nancyb Member

    Jun 30, 2000
    Falls Church, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I saw Kissinger walk into his Georgetown townhouse once. He was born in Germany, but came to the States as a teen. So, he may have played as a child.

    BTW - this thread is on the brink.
     
  18. UxSxAxfooty

    UxSxAxfooty Member+

    Jan 23, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Whoa, buddy. I wasn't attempting to open a can of worms.

    However, your claims are shortsighted. True, not all of Clinton's nominations were approved. However, they were actually voted on. The difference is, in these cases, the Democratic minority is preventing a floor vote through filibusters.

    If the nominees are given a floor vote and aren't approved, so be it. But its only fair they receive floor votes. Also noteworthy, nearly every nominee filibustered was a minority and/or a woman.

    But hey, yeah. Let's keep the politics there and soccer here. My bad.

    I want to see the US in Copa America in Peru.
     
  19. InnocentBystander

    InnocentBystander New Member

    Jan 25, 2000
    Boston
    Indeed :) Let push it over.
     
  20. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's not true. The Reeps used the "blue slip" to kill alot of his nominees. And then when Bush got elected, they changed the blue slip rules. There's more to it, I forget alot of the details, but in essense, the Reeps running the Senate keep changing the rules to their benefit.

    And before you go there, no, the Dems didn't do that. The Dems were the ones who opened up the process, and have been consistent ever since. But given the especially, DeLay-esque will-to-power play the Reeps just did, I doubt the Dems will be so civic minded in the future.
     
  21. UxSxAxfooty

    UxSxAxfooty Member+

    Jan 23, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Right. The GOP changes the rules, and that's what provoked the Democrats into demanding a super-majority in the Senate for judicial nominees due to their filibuster. Makes perfect sense.

    Point is, "blue slipping" is not an unprecedented act, is it? Filibustering a nominee is.

    What is so threatening to the left about giving a small number of judicial nominees floor votes? Especially considering their ethinicities and gender.

    Either way, what is "civic minded" about altering precedent and the Constitution's framework to require super-majorities of 67 for floor votes that will likely pass without them? Isn't that thwarting the system?

    Had the Republicans pulled this same scheme when a minority in Congress, you'd likely have popped a vain. Just think, "GOP Senators filibuster black woman judicial nominee!" Whether left or right, filibustering a nominee is simply unfair and unprecedented.

    Yeah, this thread's gone off of the edge.
     
  22. iowa007

    iowa007 Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    California
    two ideas

    1) the president of Peru would proabably be more effective and worth his time if he called the people at US soccer.

    2) why doen't Bruce Arena accept the invitation to Copa america and take out "b" or "C" team, im sure he can get some players from the A league and College players and take them to Peru. it would be a way to try new players that might not otherwise get a chace to be seen by arena. just an idea, and if he does not want to go, then send one of bruces assistants to coach the team.

    just a thought...


    iowa007
     
  23. voros

    voros Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    Parts Unknown
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes that's absolutely correct. Hold on a second I have to get the phone...

    Calls out: Vice-President Gore, the Chinese are on the line! Something about quid pro quo?!?
     
  24. Serie Zed

    Serie Zed Member

    Jul 14, 2000
    Arlington
    I think it goes something like this...

    The Republicans viewed Clinton's 8 years as a prime opportunity to extract payback for Bork and Thomas and they got it big time.

    And now the Dems are getting theirs as best they can -- goaded on by a radically conservative president looking to make points with his base.

    But all of this pales in comparison to what will happen if/when the Dems gain control of the House again. The Medicare debacle has pretty much guaranteed bloodletting.
     

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