Liverpool FC in the Media (Linked Articles Only) II

liverbird · Sep 10, 2009

usscouse said: ↑

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Twenty26Six · Sep 10, 2009

Wa' de feck ay yous witti'n about?

el-capitano · Sep 10, 2009

Morn'n all, 'ope yous 'ad a sound as a pound attack te mattress .

Fussballer · Sep 14, 2009

liverbird said: ↑

Yous tinnie try ter use this:

http://www.whoohoo.co.uk/scouse-translator.asp
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Do they have one for drunken Scouse? Last time the Bunnymen were in town, Ian McCulloch was babbling drunk on stage and everybody was wondering what he was on about.

Grinners89 · Sep 14, 2009

Shit! Our squad, which has been reported to include 723 players, will now need to be reduced.

Home-grown rule introduced

The Premier League have introduced a home-grown player rule which will come into effect from next season, alongside a limit on squad sizes.

From the 2010/11 campaign, the 20 Premier League clubs have voted to introduce measures which will see all teams required to have eight home-grown players out of a squad of 25.

Chief executive Richard Scudamore confirmed the changes, with clubs only able to make alterations to their squads during the two transfer windows.
"As of next season clubs will be required to have a squad named of up to 25 players, of which no more than 17 can be over the age of 21 and not home grown," Scudamore said.

"The definition of home grown is trained for three years under the age of 21 by somebody in the English and Welsh professional system.

"Clubs will have to declare their 25 at the end of August when the window shuts and then again at the end of January."

Players who are aged under 21 are eligible over and above the limit of 25 players per squad.

Scudamore does not believe the move will encourage clubs to hoard young foreign players and claims the England team will ultimately reap the reward.

"It's not in the club's interests to stockpile players. It will make buying home-grown talent more attractive," he said.

"We're not going down the route of a nationality test but what this will mean is that you just can't buy a team from abroad.

"We think it will give clubs an extra incentive to invest in youth. We think that one of the benefits will be that it will help the England team."

All 20 Premier League members also agreed to adhere to a set of financial reporting rules designed to protect the viability and sustainability of the clubs.
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If we had to go by these rules for this season, here is what our squad would most likely look like.

1st Team Squad

1. Cavalieri
2. Johnson
4. Aquilani
5. Agger
8. Gerrard
9. Torres
10. Voronin
11. Riera
12. Aurelio
15. Benayoun
18. Kuyt
19. Babel
20. Mascherano
21. Lucas
22. Insua*
23. Carragher
24. Ngog*
25. Reina
26. Spearing*
29. Nemeth*
32. Darby*
34. Kelly*
36. Irwin*
37. Skrtel
39. Eccleston*
40. Ayala*
41. Hansen*
42. Gulacsi*
43. Bouzanis*
44. Martin
46. Amoo*

Players left out (over the age of 21)

16. Kyrgiakos
27. Degen
28. Plessis
31. El Zhar
38. Dossena

Home-grown players

2. Johnson
8. Gerrard
23. Carragher
26. Spearing
32. Darby
34. Kelly
36. Irwin
39. Eccleston
44. Martin
46. Amoo

Note: The rest of the first team squad, without an asterisk next to their name, make up the 17 players that are over the age of 21.

*All players are under the age of 21 by the cut-off date of 31 August.

Im not quite sure about the exact rules. He says that "As of next season clubs will be required to have a squad named of up to 25 players, of which no more than 17 can be over the age of 21 and not home grown", however im not sure if Carra, Johnson, Gerrard and Martin are included in the 17 allowed players over the age of 21, given that they are all home-grown. If they are excluded from the "17", then Kyrgiakos, Dossena, Degen and El Zhar would all be allowed in the squad.

ULL NEVER WALK ALONE · Sep 14, 2009

Grinners, i'm not sure if i undertand correctly but i'm pretty sure you missed this.

Players who are aged under 21 are eligible over and above the limit of 25 players per squad.
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That means that all our youngsters, under the age of 21 and not homegrown don't count in the 25 man squad.Atleast that's what i undertand of the situation.

Grinners89 · Sep 14, 2009

ULL NEVER WALK ALONE said: ↑

Grinners, i'm not sure if i undertand correctly but i'm pretty sure you missed this.

That means that all our youngsters, under the age of 21 and not homegrown don't count in the 25 man squad.Atleast that's what i undertand of the situation.
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All the players that I have listed in the 1st team squad with an asterisk next to their name are under 21.

No matter what, it seems that you are only allowed 17 players over the age of 21. I have listed these 17 players in the 1st team squad, they are the ones without an asterisk next to their name.

revelationx · Sep 15, 2009

Grinners89 said: ↑

All the players that I have listed in the 1st team squad with an asterisk next to their name are under 21.

No matter what, it seems that you are only allowed 17 players over the age of 21. I have listed these 17 players in the 1st team squad, they are the ones without an asterisk next to their name.
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How do loan deals work with this three years home grown training?

revelationx · Sep 15, 2009

Grinners89 said: ↑

Shit! Our squad, which has been reported to include 723 players, will now need to be reduced.

Home-grown rule introduced

If we had to go by these rules for this season, here is what our squad would most likely look like.

1st Team Squad

1. Cavalieri
2. Johnson
4. Aquilani
5. Agger
8. Gerrard
9. Torres
10. Voronin
11. Riera
12. Aurelio
15. Benayoun
18. Kuyt
19. Babel
20. Mascherano
21. Lucas
22. Insua*
23. Carragher
24. Ngog*
25. Reina
26. Spearing*
29. Nemeth*
32. Darby*
34. Kelly*
36. Irwin*
37. Skrtel
39. Eccleston*
40. Ayala*
41. Hansen*
42. Gulacsi*
43. Bouzanis*
44. Martin
46. Amoo*

Players left out (over the age of 21)

16. Kyrgiakos
27. Degen
28. Plessis
31. El Zhar
38. Dossena

Home-grown players

2. Johnson
8. Gerrard
23. Carragher
26. Spearing
32. Darby
34. Kelly
36. Irwin
39. Eccleston
44. Martin
46. Amoo

Note: The rest of the first team squad, without an asterisk next to their name, make up the 17 players that are over the age of 21.

*All players are under the age of 21 by the cut-off date of 31 August.

Im not quite sure about the exact rules. He says that "As of next season clubs will be required to have a squad named of up to 25 players, of which no more than 17 can be over the age of 21 and not home grown", however im not sure if Carra, Johnson, Gerrard and Martin are included in the 17 allowed players over the age of 21, given that they are all home-grown. If they are excluded from the "17", then Kyrgiakos, Dossena, Degen and El Zhar would all be allowed in the squad.
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Gerrard, Carra, Martin and Johnson fill the criteria for home-grown players and so are not in the 17.

Grinners89 · Sep 15, 2009

revelationx said: ↑

Gerrard, Carra, Martin and Johnson fill the criteria for home-grown players and so are not in the 17.
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Therefore Kyrgiakos, Degen, Dossena and El Zhar/Plessis would still be in the squad.

Thats very good...it means that no changes need to be made to our squad for next season due to these new regulations.

liverbird · Sep 15, 2009

Grinners89 said: ↑

Therefore Kyrgiakos, Degen, Dossena and El Zhar/Plessis would still be in the squad.

Thats very good...it means that no changes need to be made to our squad for next season due to these new regulations.
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See my post in other thread:

https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18795358&postcount=2

Red Bird · Sep 25, 2009

I guess CCSC_STRIKER20 is somehow indisposed! Well, till he gets back, here is one of those occurences in Blighty-- an insightful article about Liverpool.

It's funny isn't it, how Liverpool can be six points behind Manchester United with five games of the season remaining, and the title race is the most exciting in an age?

Yet now, with virtually an entire campaign still to play out, Rafael Benitez's side have already been written off as potential champions, because they are six points behind leaders Chelsea.

Ok, giving a lead to teams as powerful as Chelsea or United is never a particularly smart move, if you want to finish ahead of them, no matter how early in the season it may be. But already, there is some evidence that Liverpool could be a far stronger proposition this time around.

Confused? Well, in some ways, it is powerful evidence, if subtle. They have lost twice, of course, which is as many defeats as they endured in their 38 Premier League matches, and that is not an entirely convincing statistic. But how many games have Liverpool drawn so far?

Yep, you got it. None. In seven matches. At the same stage last season, Liverpool hadn't lost, but had drawn three games, which even with my rather vague grasp on all things mathematical, leaves them in exactly the same position, does it not?

Well actually, it leaves them in a better position, because the Reds' abject inability to win games they should have, cost them the title last season, there is absolutely no doubt about that.

In the end, they finished four points behind Manchester United in second place. And yet they drew a staggering 11 matches, SEVEN of them at home. Had just two of those games been converted into victories, then Liverpool would have ended their 20-year wait for the Championship trophy.

Just look at some of those games Liverpool drew at home. Stoke, Fulham, West Ham, Hull, and a then crap Manchester City. So four more points taken from those teams at Anfield and Liverpool would have finished first. It almost defies belief, doesn't it?

Looking at the Merseyside team's performances this season, there have been some weaknesses exposed, particularly in defence, and they looked poor in defeats to both Spurs and Aston Villa. Yet that may simply be the price to be paid for trying to erase those damaging plethora of draws.

It's not rocket science. To turn draws into wins, you need to attack more. But that means your defence is more vulnerable. So you can lose matches, but you can also win them, and the key is to get the balance right. United lost two more games than Liverpool last season, but didn't draw anywhere near as many at home.

At home to Stoke and Burnley so far this season, Liverpool won at a canter, scoring four in each game. Last season, they would have drawn at least one of those matches. So, while the signs were pretty dire at Spurs, in the key home matches against sides from outside the top eight, they are so far looking very good indeed.

Why? Well, against Burnley, Benitez left out his defensive midfielder altogether and dropped Steven Gerrard back, giving the Reds a much more offensive feel, and filling them with a latent threat. Too often last time around, they went into the same sort of matches with both Xabi Alonso and Javier Mascherano in the side.

The sale of Alonso may just be a blessing in disguise for Benitez. He has been heavily lambasted for letting the Spaniard go, and many of his sterner critics sneer that he has already thrown away the title with the decision. But they are wrong.

Wrong first, because he didn't actually want to let Alonso go this summer, though it is true he would have been happier to sell him a year ago. And wrong because the loss of the Spanish international may just bring more balance to the Liverpool midfield.

It is my understanding that Alonso forced the situation this summer, and indeed, I can reveal that he had an agreement with Real Madrid as far back as April. He and his wife have a young family, and they wanted to return home to bring the child up in Spain.

Benitez was ready to sell Alonso a year ago, because his form had dipped and the player had already let it be known back then he was looking to return home. But this summer, even though the relationship between the pair was frosty - largely because Alonso had refused to play in two matches for Liverpool - Benitez thought they could be professional enough to continue working together.

It was only when it became obvious Alonso was completely set on the move to Madrid that he relented, and then tried to get the best price possible. Alonso will argue of course that by attempting to sell him a year before the manager had made his intentions clear, but that was not the case.

Benitez is a calculating manager, as the best always are, and his opinion was that in 2008, Alonso's form had dipped, but in 2009 he was back to the level that made him valuable to the club. But his hand was forced, and there was no point in keeping a player agitating strongly for a move.

What the sale has done, is to force Benitez to try alternatives, and whatever you think of Lucas, it is clear he is far more offensive player than Alonso, who played in basically the same position as Mascherano.

Importantly, new signing Alberto Aquilani is also a far more attacking player who can score goals from midfield, which neither Alonso nor Mascherano ever did. So Liverpool will have more momentum going forward this season.

The one problem they have, of course, is that their squad is far too thin, and their chances would have been helped immeasurably had the manager been given the funds in the summer to buy the attacking players like David Silva and Antonio Valencia he was pursing. Instead he balanced the books as the club looks for long term stability, which is understandable, if a little frustrating.

But even so, if they can have some good luck with injuries the signs are strong that Liverpool have a different approach this season, and two defeats, no matter how disappointing, will not impact greatly so long as they don't run up such a horrendous tally of draws as they did during the last campaign.

So the message for those who are already writing Benitez's side off, is to look not at the defeats column, but the draws. So far, it says a big fat, shiny zero.

And that is an attractive a figure as you can get if you are a Liverpool fan.
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Grinners89 · Sep 25, 2009

Red Bird said: ↑

I guess CCSC_STRIKER20 is somehow indisposed! Well, till he gets back, here is one of those occurences in Blighty-- an insightful article about Liverpool.
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Someone who knows something

Good article.

liverbird · Sep 25, 2009

Good find RB

revelationx · Sep 25, 2009

It is an interesting article - but the author makes a few key errors.

1) He falls into the trap that some other journalists have made and attempts to portray Gerrard rather than Masch playing CM against Burnley as an attacking tactical decision. It was not. It was forced by Masch being injured and still in South America when this match occurred. There is little evidence to suggest that Rafa will change away from 4-2-3-1 when Masch is fit. We do not yet know how Aquilani will be incorporated into the side.

2) We have dropped 6 pts so far this season. The author falsely claims that our 3 draws at this time last season means we are at the same position this time around. This is incorrect - at this pt last season we had dropped 4 pts. We had drawn at Villa and against Stoke. The third draw was in the CL Qualifiers at Standard Liege - obviously drawing this match did not cost us league pts. We had also beaten Man U and Everton by this stage last season. We have scored more goals so far this season but attempting to imply that we are in as good a (League) position is misleading.

Red Bird · Sep 25, 2009

revelationx said: ↑

It is an interesting article - but the author makes a few key errors.

1) He falls into the trap that some other journalists have made and attempts to portray Gerrard rather than Masch playing CM against Burnley as an attacking tactical decision. It was not. It was forced by Masch being injured and still in South America when this match occurred. There is little evidence to suggest that Rafa will change away from 4-2-3-1 when Masch is fit. We do not yet know how Aquilani will be incorporated into the side.

2) We have dropped 6 pts so far this season. The author falsely claims that our 3 draws at this time last season means we are at the same position this time around. This is incorrect - at this pt last season we had dropped 4 pts. We had drawn at Villa and against Stoke. The third draw was in the CL Qualifiers at Standard Liege - obviously drawing this match did not cost us league pts. We had also beaten Man U and Everton by this stage last season. We have scored more goals so far this season but attempting to imply that we are in as good a (League) position is misleading.
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You can't expect Fleet Street to get everything, right can you? Those are valid observations, however, and certainly of the two loses so far, the one against Villa has to be the hardest to swallow.

More pertinent was the general thrust of the article, which was that the 11 drawn matches-- 7 of them at home-- cost us the league. Converting a number of those, while not conceding too much ground elsewhere, will make us more competitive.

Ross2006 · Sep 26, 2009

interesting new gerrard interview talks a lot about the trial but the interesting bits for me are about Rafa and Capello

a bit like Carragher (who compared Rafa to the pub bore in his book) Gerrard says Rafa is a real stickler for detail and says "when does this guy sleep?" and "Has this guy not got a life?" but there seems to be a genuine respect there

also says he has never had a conversation with rafa or capello that wasn't about football.

seems to be a very big fan of capello - says he enjoys just being in his company. also says things weren't right under previous england managers

interview here

http://www.footballnewshq.com/2009/09/2009-09-pl-story-58564574.html

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revelationx · Sep 26, 2009

Ross2006 said: ↑

interesting new gerrard interview talks a lot about the trial but the interesting bits for me are about Rafa and Capello

a bit like Carragher (who compared Rafa to the pub bore in his book) Gerrard says Rafa is a real stickler for detail and says "when does this guy sleep?" and "Has this guy not got a life?" but there seems to be a genuine respect there

also says he has never had a conversation with rafa or capello that wasn't about football.

seems to be a very big fan of capello - says he enjoys just being in his company. also says things weren't right under previous england managers

interview here

http://www.footballnewshq.com/2009/09/2009-09-pl-story-58564574.html

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A direct link to the full interview is here...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ebrate-bar--Liverpool-England-star-frank.html

SiriuslyCold · Sep 29, 2009

anyone seen this?
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/eseason/News-and-Interviews/09-10/FREE-Istanbul--14096.php3

el-capitano · Sep 29, 2009

Or he could start doing Ikea furniture like Torres!

Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard has said that his recent trial changed him.

The England international was charged with affray after becoming involved in an argument in a Southport bar after Liverpool had beaten Newcastle United 5-1 nine months ago.

Gerrard was found not guilty at Liverpool Crown Court but accepts that it was a difficult time for him.

He told The Daily Mail: "The trial changed me. I had to learn from it, learn from being in the wrong place at the wrong time, what hour I'm out, where I go out. I'll be more careful in future.

"From now on, if we win 5-1, if I score two goals and we go top of the league, I won't try to enjoy it in a bar with my mates anymore. I'll go for a meal and be in my house by half-past-ten. We get paid very well and there have to be sacrifices.

"Throughout the trial I kept telling myself that whatever happened I would never be back in one of these rooms again. It was not a pleasant place to be, the whole experience was very frightening and intimidating.

"There have been very few instances when I have had problems, but I will think about my spare time, even my holiday time, more carefully now. I reckon I have another six years as a professional footballer. It is not so long to make those choices."
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http://www.4thegame.com/club/liverpool-fc/news/247301/gerrard_learns_from_mistakes.html

Grinners89 · Sep 29, 2009

Did anyone else see these ridiculous player of the month nominations?

TORRES VERSUS ROONEY

Fernando Torres and Steven Gerrard have been shortlisted for the PFA Fans' Player of the Month for August and September.

The pair face stiff competition from Wayne Rooney and Frank Lampard - so make sure you cast your vote now.

With eight strikes to his name already, Torres will take some beating, though Rooney has six goals in seven games.

PFA officials confirmed to Liverpoolfc.tv that Glen Johnson and Yossi Benayoun only just missed out on the four-man shortlist.
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How Gerrard made it into the 4 man shortlist ahead of Yossi or Johnson is amazing. He's been one player who's been a bit down over the start of the season, compared with Yossi and Johnson who have both been very consistent and scored 5 goals between them as well as creating more than 5 goals for our team.

revelationx · Sep 29, 2009

Grinners89 said: ↑

Did anyone else see these ridiculous player of the month nominations?

TORRES VERSUS ROONEY

How Gerrard made it into the 4 man shortlist ahead of Yossi or Johnson is amazing. He's been one player who's been a bit down over the start of the season, compared with Yossi and Johnson who have both been very consistent and scored 5 goals between them as well as creating more than 5 goals for our team.
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Lampard has also dropped off in the last couple of weeks.

PHootieD · Sep 29, 2009

I'm surprised Adebayor isn't on the short list. he had 4 match winners in their first 4 games. I suppose its down to his conduct at the Arsenal game

Red Bird · Sep 29, 2009

Grinners89 said: ↑

Did anyone else see these ridiculous player of the month nominations?

TORRES VERSUS ROONEY

How Gerrard made it into the 4 man shortlist ahead of Yossi or Johnson is amazing. He's been one player who's been a bit down over the start of the season, compared with Yossi and Johnson who have both been very consistent and scored 5 goals between them as well as creating more than 5 goals for our team.
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Gerrard would struggle to get into Liverpool's top 4, let alone Premier League top 4 right now. It's the "John Wayne" syndrome, as somebody called it.

liverbird · Sep 29, 2009

Grinners89 said: ↑

Did anyone else see these ridiculous player of the month nominations?

TORRES VERSUS ROONEY

How Gerrard made it into the 4 man shortlist ahead of Yossi or Johnson is amazing. He's been one player who's been a bit down over the start of the season, compared with Yossi and Johnson who have both been very consistent and scored 5 goals between them as well as creating more than 5 goals for our team.
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so Rooney wins right?