Would instant replay be good for football?

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by DerMongerer, Jan 1, 2005.

  1. Benfica_fan

    Benfica_fan Member

    Jun 5, 2002
    Connecticut
    Replay should atleast be used to determine whether or not a ball crosses the goal line, and only if the officials have any doubts.
     
  2. rossoneri_22

    rossoneri_22 BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 18, 2004
    I think that the best way for instant replay to be implemented in football would be to have a video judge in the stadium who can communicate with the referee during the match through an earpiece. I think that this may work in that it wouldn't interrupt the play as much as having challenges in the game.

    But it should only be used if the ref can't see what happened like with Chelsea on Saturday. I think we need to trust the referees judgement more though they usually do a good job (unless Juve is playing).
     
  3. NHRef

    NHRef Member+

    Apr 7, 2004
    Southern NH
    some major points have been brought up, the flow of the game that is soccer, but not American Football and other sports that use replay. In American football not all calls can be appealed, they can not appeal a foul, only a judgement call type of play. When an appeal is done and the ref is proven correct, the team who challenged looses a timeout, which in a close game can be a very big thing to loose.

    Also, people want goals called back that were offside, but this is calling back a "non call" which is VERY much harder than changing a call. Exactly how much after the "no call" can you change it? 3 seconds later a goal is scored, ok, might be fair, what if the offside/goal are 20-30 seconds apart, is it still fair to call back? Also, MUCH of the calls/non calls in soccer are in the opinion of a referee, things like non calls due to diving, whether a foul was trivial or a handling incident intentional. Even adding an offside decision when the person is not exactly even with the second to last defender.

    When a call is "missed" according to fans, it is NOT missed by one referee, for a call to be missed, it must be missed by 4 referees, not just the CR, but both ARs and the 4th official must also miss it.

    I vote no to reply.
     
  4. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    I have two problems with the use of instant replays:

    1 - Interuption of the game as has been mentioned frequently.

    2 - At what levels will this be introduced? Why should Internationals and top flight games benefit from this but lower league football not? If it is introduced at one level it has to be introduced at all levels and that is simply not possible.
     
  5. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I would not use instant replay during the match, because it would disrupt the game too much. But I think it should be used after the match, to punish players who are seen to have obviously cheated. Players who dived, faked injury, or commited a bad foul away from the ball, or who used their hands, or any deliberate illegal action which somehow managed to fool the ref, should be summarily suspended. It wouldn't change the results, but I suppose players would think twice before pulling that crap if they know they'd likely miss a number of matches without pay.
     
  6. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I wholeheartedly disagree.

    Signed,

    Wayne Rooney
     
  7. Gary V

    Gary V Member+

    Feb 4, 2003
    SE Mich.
    Re: Who says the cameraman has a better angle?

    It took 3 days to find a photograph confirming Esse's correct (PK?) call in WC'98. All video cameras had an angle that missed it. You really want to wait that long for the game to be decided? Or have games overturned when it was proven, as it would have been in this case, that the referee's initial call was correct?

    There may be some benefit in a goal/no-goal camera mounted on the goalpost frame. That would be similar to the photo-finish in racing. The camera would be in a fixed position to determine a single event that happens in a fixed position. But that's about it.

    And just because it wouldn't be available at lower levels is no reason to ban it from upper levels. We don't have beeper flags at lower levels either. Sometimes we don't even have grass. The kids and amateurs still manage to play.
     
  8. DerMongerer

    DerMongerer Member

    Jun 5, 2004
     
  9. DerMongerer

    DerMongerer Member

    Jun 5, 2004
     
  10. womble

    womble New Member

    Jan 13, 2001
    Brighton
    A last minute goal.........80,000 rabid fans go mental........would you want to tell them the ball hadn't crossed the line? No.
     
  11. |--LdC--|

    |--LdC--| New Member

    Nov 16, 2003
    Lisboa/Portugal
    In football everyone fails, the players fail easy goals, the coach fail in the tacticts and substitutions, so its natural to see the refs failing to.
    Like others said in this thread the only positive technology in football would be placing some sensors or something like that in order to see if the ball had crossed the line or not, we could avoid technology by simply putting a ref behind the net.
    The beauty of football is its simplicity, everyone can play it almost everywhere, how could it be possible to add instant replay to all the leagues and official football games on the 200 fifa nations?!
     
  12. Eurekas

    Eurekas New Member

    Oct 4, 2003
    I agree that instant replays be used when there are goals that are controversial due to offside or handballs. The referee can verify his penalty decision using video replays also because some penalties are given due to fake dives. As for fouls and tackles, I think the referee himself is enough to judge otherwise the game will be stopped too often.
     
  13. petersoccer

    petersoccer Red Card

    Dec 2, 2004
    Mississauga,Ontario
    No replay on hand balls or dives to subjective. Ofsides that result in goals and if ball is over line.
     
  14. copaantl98

    copaantl98 Member

    Apr 9, 2002
    Instant replay will be good for soccer until the correct call goes against our favorite team :)
     
  15. sokol

    sokol Member

    Aug 4, 2004
    I think before getting to replay, it might be wise to try putting a chip or something in the ball to judge out of bounds and in the goal. I'm sure that's technologically possible and it would make things much easier on the referees assistants. If the referees were able to just forget about making the calls themselves about out of bounds they could pay more attention to fouls and specifically to offsides. I think they should first try that and see how much of an effect it has.

    If the effect is minimal, then go to Replay where you have an official watching the game with the cameras. If he sees something serious, such as a blown offsides or handball in the box he can communicate it to the ref through an earpiece. At the next dead ball, or if the ball has not yet been put in play, the ref can take a moment to look at it and make his decision. If it's legit, the penalty or goal or whatever is awarded. If not, play continues. I think it would be possible for the ref to even have a little handheld screen so he could watch it right there and save time. There could be a rule that says the replay ref can't make a call more than 2 minutes or something after the play. And when someone is flagged offside, play would officially continue until the ref blows his whistle. This way, bad call against the offense could be overturned. If the ref thinks it's obviously offsides he can jus blow it, but if he thinks it's questionable he lets the play run until something happens or he gets word from upstairs.
     
  16. NHRef

    NHRef Member+

    Apr 7, 2004
    Southern NH
    I can see a reply on a goal line and possibly touch line, but that would have to take into account feet and the AR near the line.

    The example above shows another problem. Dishonesty by the keeper, if the ball was that far over the line, he could have done the right thing. He didn't he cheated.

    reply on subjective calls or things in the opinion of the referee, no way.
     
  17. Roehl Sybing

    Roehl Sybing Guest

    And the wanton mysticization of soccer continues unimpeded. It's a sad sight, really.
     
  18. Latin Pride

    Latin Pride Member

    Aug 1, 2004
    In your house
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Yes it would, like in WC 02 Uruguay vs Senegal, when Senegal had the penalty, it look like Carini fouled him but when u see the replay its obvious he didnt get touched infact Carini moved away. So yea Instant replay would be good cause to make fair calls such as handballs, offside, etc cause refs dont seem to know jack these days.
     
  19. DerMongerer

    DerMongerer Member

    Jun 5, 2004
    Any takers for instant replay after the Chelsea/Barca 2nd leg match last week?

    I'm all for correcting/overulling a right or wrong decision right on the spot instead of viewing it later when nothing can be done about it.
     
  20. Benfica_fan

    Benfica_fan Member

    Jun 5, 2002
    Connecticut
    I'm for instant replay, at least for on whether or not a ball crosses the goal line. If the referee and his assistants aren't 100% sure, then they should have the option to review the play immediately. How long could it take, 2 minutes? Just add it to stoppage time.
     
  21. erick

    erick Member

    Dec 6, 2007
    Bama Nation
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    No, it takes away from the integrity of the game. FIFA should focus in giving the refs a more proper training and that will solve the problems.
     
  22. moh1nas

    moh1nas New Member

    May 24, 2009
    instant replay are good for football to know if it is offside or foul maybe the refree does a wrong thing so they check it with replaying it.
     

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