Even if we didnt count all the Mexican/American fighters we would still be the best. The greatest of them all
dude, you really have blinders on. chavez was good, really good . . . nothing compared to the best american fighters. hell, if it wasn't for don king he would have lost so many of his fights. the surgen kicked his ass and whittaker (sp?) did too. for your information, PR isn't shit at producing fighters . . . in the carbie it is cuba. refresh me, aside from chavez . . . who does mexico have that deserves to be in the same sentence as so many of the great american fighters?
i am sorry, remind me of the only great undefeated fighter of all time? what race was he? for your info, white boys don't fight professionally in the numbers necessary to produce a truly great fighter . . . but that doesn't mean we are any less fans or less knowledgable about the sport. one other thing, don't fool yourself about americans pretending to be mexicans in the boxing ring . . . it is all about the money. anyone that knows the mexican american boxing community understands that a fighter claiming to be mexican makes a hell of a lot more money than one that claims to be an american. *cough* oscar de la hoya *cough* i forget the fighters name from oxnard (the one that juices and got his ass kicked by oscar), dude is as mexican as i am irish. lol
so what you are saying is, if do santos wasn't a diving ********, he would have been up on his feet and in position to score the goal. furthermore, if marquez wasn't such a bitch he wouldn't have been red carded out of so many important games. another way of saying, if duck didn't have wings, a beak and feathers and instead had fur, paws and a tail . . . it would be a dog. get my point?
Boxing maybe, but Brock Lesnar, Chuck Lidell, Randy Couture, Shamrock, pretty much all American Greco-Roman wrestlers, etc. disagree with the brawler statement. Besides, trying to pin the US into different ethnic groups is dumb, I doubt most of the people you are debating with are even white.
Exactly how much chef's urine do you think you've consumed in the past few years? Anyhooooo.. should this be in WR?
I apologize if I interrupt your little sausage bitch party thread, but let's keep it on topic: Woot, ahí está!
Both losses were towards the end of his career. How many American fighters went udefeted for 90+ fights and no draws? Chavez is one of the best pound for pound fighters of all time. As much as I hate puerto rican fighters, im going to ask you this. How many Cuban champions has there been? Not as many as puerto rican. I just said it, Mexico has had the most champions followed by Puerto Rico. The only weight class the us had dominated has been the now dead heavy weight class. Other than that, while the US has had champions in other weight classes they cant hold a candle up to Mexican fighters. Salvador Sanchez is another great boxer. Plus Im not even trying to get who is better than who, the thread is mexico should stick to sports they are good at, Boxing is one of them. If we are not the best than we are one of the best.
There are too many guys here overdosing on testosterone, I knew it was a bad idea to click on this thread.
Chavez should have quit at 90 wins. Don King ruins everything he touches. Really who cares about boxing anymore. ...and not too many MExican ultimate fighters in the UFC pipeline. OF course Mexico is really good at walking and has won lots of medals for that. Plus their national sport is Jai Alai or something like that.
that i can agree with, mexico is indeed one of the best . . . i just felt you were trying to imply the USA isnt also one of the best. btw, with regard to cuba, please review the most successful olympic boxers and you will see cuba is right up there with the USA. most mexican boxers go pro immediately, so an olympic comparison isn't really apples to apples. with reference to chavez, i think his fight count is a little misleading. where as the standard practice in the USA is to fight a major fight, then have unofficial sparring matches. cesar (for the most part) avoided sparring and would schedule several 'gimmie' fights in between the major bouts. i am not saying this to take away from chavez's major fight victories, just to put into perspective his number of victories. so you are saying, sugar ray lenard, roy jones jr, haggler, oscar de la hoya, shane mosely and hearns weren't some of the greatest fighters of all time? and hell, that is only looking at the past 20 or so years. notice i didn't even need to mention a single heavy weight? include the likes of ali, foreman, frazier, tyson, etc and the list of great american fighters only gets stronger. i have a theory as to why heavyweight boxing has fallen out of favor with athletes, but that is a discussion for another time and place.
I agree with you that Cuba has had a lot of great Olympic boxers, but I wasnt thinking about the Olympics for the reason you stated. By no means did I mean that the US hasnt had great lower weight boxers, but I was just saying the US hasnt had as many as both Puerto Rico and Mexico. The boxers you stated above are all great boxers. You forgot Mayweather Jr.
Frankly, I'm not sure why Americans tend to get so overwhelmed by the emotional lust to take pot-shots at El Tri. While the sport remains shackled to the label of being a suburbanite outing to most in the US, it's actually a volkscultuur south of the border. They've got a rich history with the sport, filled with great club rivalries, reputable players and the same global recognition-adversity as have we. Sure, sometimes brawls happen and a little jest or mockery is part of the show; but I seriously respect Mexican footy as something vital to the success of our own. It's great to see both supporters and players driven to compete and topple one another, but it's a bit absurd when people take a Pardo or Donovan quote and turn it into dogma.
Write Mexico off at our peril, guys...they had a lousy start to the campaign 8 years ago, and came back to finish ahead of us. That being said, I'll add my two cents that the Mexican boards are a lot less tolerant of US Fans there than the US boards are tolerant of Mexican fans here...I've been told to get lost several times when I've asked what I thought was a legit question, to offer encouragement, or even to congratulate them on a victory over Brazil. Pity there couldn't be a forum for an intellegent conversation between fans of the two teams...oh well.
"Remember the 2006 World Baseball Classic? Team Mexico's lone Mexican-American was San Diego's Adrian Gonzalez."
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