Obama, Iran and Richard Nixon

Discussion in 'International News' started by Iranian Monitor, Jan 22, 2009.

  1. Scarecrow

    Scarecrow Red Card

    Feb 13, 2004
    Chicago
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    Chicago Fire
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    Oh do tell us o wise one all that you know of US foreign policy and your knowledge of politics. We all yearn to be enlightened by such a learned fellow such as yourself.

    And I am sure you are a published expert as well. Please tell us where we can find your works online. We must know.

    And while you are at it, we all would LOVE to read some links about the disinformation being spread by the US. Show us some links to tell us all about the evils of the US and why they do what they did.





    This should be quite amusing.
     
  2. vancity eagle

    vancity eagle Member+

    Apr 6, 2006
    For a start why don't you do yourself a favor and read up on CIA involvements in Guatemala, Cuba, El Salvador, Panama, Chile, Brazil, Argentina, Zaire, Angola, S. Africa, Ghana, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Indonesia & E Timor, Colombia, Afghanistan, Somalia. Just to name a few, and ask yourself if the US was involved to make the lives of these citizens better and more free ? Do this and then get back at me, or just continue with your idiotic and misguided talking points that you get from fools like Bush and every other president before him.
     
  3. Green-go

    Green-go New Member

    Jun 25, 2007
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    Obama gonna fix da world!:rolleyes:
     
  4. Scarecrow

    Scarecrow Red Card

    Feb 13, 2004
    Chicago
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    United States

    Oh no, you are such an expert why don't you enlighten us all. You are the self proclaimed expert here, we would love to hear what you have to say and show some links to support your words.

    Don't be lazy, lets see what you've got. Cause so far all you have provided us is some hot air, rhetoric, hyperbole, and the blowing of a lot of smoke. Essentially a whole lot of nothing.
     
  5. Borussia

    Borussia Member+

    Jun 5, 2006
    Fürth near Nuremberg
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    Germany
    So you are.


    Don't worry, I know enough about all positive and negative aspects of US politics in the past.


    Oh, I'm sooo impressed...:p
     
  6. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    Because China matters. Iran not so much. I mean, the country's sole leverage is its potential to threaten tiny Israel in its region. Otherwise, Iran is just another destitute backwater falling farther and farther behind in the 21st century. A country with a great heritage and culture for sure, but with no present or future.
     
  7. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    Afghan war
    http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN2638766820070327

    Iraq war
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article1130926.ece

    Guatamala death squads

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...l Relations&scp=1&sq=harbury guatamala&st=cse

    El Salvador

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...&scp=2&sq=cia and el salvador killings&st=cse

    Iran, 1953 coup

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...&scp=4&sq=cia involvement shah of iran&st=cse
     
  8. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    :rolleyes:

    Destitute is no longer what it once was I guess! :)


    My "destitute" country rebuilt Lebanon after Israel wrecked it. It is generously helping rebuild Afghanistan and Iraq. It is pledging to rebuild Gaza. It is helping numerous countries in Africa. It is investing and helping various countries in Latin America: Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, Nicaragua. The leaders of these countries, whenever they travel to Iran, almost without exception, refer to Iran as a "model" for other developing countries to follow.

    Anyway, as someone who comes from a background that would ordinarily better fit the adjectives you have used for Iran, I am curious about your sentiments? It seems you have had some bad encounters with Iranians. Maybe you worked for one and he didn't treat you well? :confused:

    Here are the views of another Latino, one who unlike you, represents other Latinos. And who recently traveled to Iran and made these comments before the Ecuadorian parlaiment.

     
  9. Borussia

    Borussia Member+

    Jun 5, 2006
    Fürth near Nuremberg
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    Borussia Mönchengladbach
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    Germany
    But surely not because of generosity but due to well-known goals pursuited by your regime.

    You should better invest some money to the benefit of your country's population. :rolleyes:
     
  10. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    You see, you expect that I'm going to get in some sort of pissing match with you and get defensive about latin america being destitute. It is destitute (mostly), and I am more interested in seeing it's development and seeing it's people prosper than fantasizing about it's importance on message boards to make myself feel bigger and stronger. That's where we're different, IM. I care about people. You have some fetish about coming from a big and powerful country.

    My wife is half PErsian, and her Persian side of the family love the homeland and the culture. But they had no choice but to leave given the corruption and degradation people suffer.

    You want to help people? Buy an ambulance so that next time some town has a minor earthquake, you don't lose 60,000 of your own people.
     
  11. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    As for Iran's "future", I am much more optimistic than what the report prepared by the US intelligence community entitled "Global Trends 2025" would indicate. Indeed, if I were preparing that report, its emphasis and conclusions would be quite different. Still here is their view of "emerging powers":

    http://www.acus.org/publication/global-trends-2025-transformed-world

    Global Trends 2025: A Transformed World
     
  12. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    I understand now. The "half Persian" part of your wife's background may not have been as welcoming of the "other half". And apparently that has not sit well with you.

    Otherwise, what on earth would allow you to try to want to tell me about how things are in Iran? I live in Iran. I have lived in the US. I don't need you to tell me about Iran, but the reverse. Iran is certainly nothing like you want to paint about here.

    Go deal with your personal issues and don't drag them here.
     
  13. Rostam

    Rostam Member

    Dec 11, 2005
    Here we go again with my wife is half Persian, so I know all about Iran. You expect to be taken seriously with this kind of argument. btw, your wife is half Iranian Jew, not a Persian.

    Well, I eat a buritto every once in a while so I know all about Mexico. But I also eat a lot more Chinese......
     
  14. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    The reverse. A good sign of someone being insecure is that they try to put down others. That is the root cause the racism you must have faced as well. The reason why the most pernicious kind of racism is often from the less educated classes in various societies. Or, at least, the more insecure ones.

    When I lived in the US, I was a lawyer. I could easily melt into the rest of the population, much easier than you will be able to, and claim America's riches and things for myself. Indeed, I largely took that route for many years and was quite good at it too. But ultimately, in my heart, I knew I prefered to be Iranian than anything else.

    For people who want to close their eyes and ears, who don't know any better, or have a chip on their shoulder, Iran is exactly as you describe it. For anyone who has actually visited this country, Iran is simply nothing like you prefer to paint it to be. The country is doing alright and then some, despite all the efforts to sanction, isolate, and weaken it. It is relatively prosperous and quite advanced. It doesn't need your advice on how to handle its issues either.
     
  15. Mani

    Mani BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 1, 2004
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    Perspolis
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    Iran
    Damn, his Persian mother-in-law must be a though lady with a big whip. [​IMG]
     
  16. Scarecrow

    Scarecrow Red Card

    Feb 13, 2004
    Chicago
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    United States
    So an Iranian Jew can't be persian? :confused:
     
  17. Rostam

    Rostam Member

    Dec 11, 2005
    No, because Jews are considered a distinctive race by themselves (Jewish Law).
     
  18. Scarecrow

    Scarecrow Red Card

    Feb 13, 2004
    Chicago
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    Chicago Fire
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    United States
    Ok. Didn't know that.
     
  19. Mani

    Mani BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 1, 2004
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    Perspolis
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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hGw8C2KFrM"]YouTube - Riz Khan - Obama's engagement in Iran - 22 Jan 09 - Part 1[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5iTLSJtAFE"]YouTube - Riz Khan - Obama's engagement in Iran - 22 Jan 09 - Part 2[/ame]
     
  20. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    Wow, I guess I've embarrassed you so many times that all you can do is misrepresent me. OK. IM said I have a problem with Iranians, and that was my response.

    And ps IM, the Iranian part is the best part, and certainly the most fun.

    Where I'm from, NYC, being a lawyer IM isn't such a big accomplishment. I know because I'm one too. And most of my fellow lawyers are just not that impressive.

    So next time you need me to affirm your good fortune and talent, you might want to try something other than "I'm a lawyer".

    PS where can I contribute to the "rebuild Bam fund".
     
  21. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    Oh really? Which Rabbi did you study with to learn that?
     
  22. Borussia

    Borussia Member+

    Jun 5, 2006
    Fürth near Nuremberg
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    Borussia Mönchengladbach
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    Germany
    Perhaps the same type of lawyer like our friend from UK (Caliphate & Sharia are really the dream of all smart lawyers:). Or have you just been an Iranian agent spying in the US...? :)

    Sometimes, I really wonder why such hardliners like you and @ Shaster live(d) in the USA when you hate the West that much...


    Btw: Here's the last chance for you.

    http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2009/01/2009126195224889956.html

    It's no secret that you try to gain time by these talks, so I think it's definitely not a good idea to fool Mr. Obama the same way you have done with the EU representatives.


    Buona notte.
     
  23. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    That you have a problem is clear. No objective person with any knowledge of Iran would ever use the adjectives you have used to describe the country. No objective person without a chip on his shoulder about Iran would ever make the kind of snide remarks that you make about a tragedy like the Bam earthquake.

    You claim the source of the problem is not in the treatment you have received from the Iranian part of your wife's family. Lets accept that at face value. In that case, may be you suffer from what I alluded to earlier: the need to feel better about yourself, by putting others down? Or maybe you are just as immature as many other posters on bigsoccer; picking up resentment from past arguments with some Iranians and applying them against the entire country?

    It does seem that the profession has indeed sunk very low. But the point in my statement still stands, even if it went all over your head.

    You wanted to pretend that I have taken Iran's cause here to make myself feel "better and stronger". I was reminding you that as someone who lived in the US, as a lawyer, in a community like southern California with a well assimilated Iranian population, if I suffered from your ailment, I could have done what you do: pretend to be an American and brag about America and put down other countries and people.

    :rolleyes:
     
  24. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    I don't hate the West; I hate what it does in relation to this region. And I am sure neither Shaster nor umarfm hate the West. However, those who hail from other civilizations, don't have to become 'westerners' and carry its biases to have a right to speak their mind. Even though, some of the strongest critics of the West can be found from those Westerners who can't stand the hypocricy and double standards. The kind of hypocricy and double standards that negate a part of the tradition they have been taught about the value of human beings, regardless of race, religion, or national origin.
    Iran doesn't need any "last chances". The US should approach Iran to talk to it only when it comes to table to exchange ideas and tries to look for a "win-win" solution. Anything else is a waste of time.
     
  25. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    These comments by Obama are slightly more hopeful, although he will need to add much to them, in both emphasis as well as in substance, while subtracting a good deal from what he has said both in the past as well as in this interview.

    Ultimately, Iran and the US do have much to talk and resolve between them, but the US should disabuse itself of the notion that it can talk to Iran in any manner that even hints that there are some "sticks" behind the discussion. And the only "carrots" Iran is interested in are those that come from its own potential and promise, content merely if the US stands out of its way.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090127/pl_politico/18016

     

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