What is the best solution for Palestine/Israel?

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  1. Borussia

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    I can't remember having said this (I mentioned the fact that Hamas has to recognize Israel if the Palestinians want to get an own state) ... since it is a problem which should have absolutely nothing to do with Iran!

    Regarding a possible change or at least some reforms in your country: Well, it's the decision/choice of Iran's population (if the elections should be really fair ... what I doubt, though)!
     
  2. Yañez

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    I say a real 2 state agreement, not one where Israel still has forces inside or controls its borders.
     
  3. Turkoglu

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    Mar 30, 2001
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    Hamas Hezbullah dismantling. Israel recognizing Palestine as a free state, withouth having to do anything with it except to treat it as a proper neighbor state by lifting all the blockades.

    And the rest of the Arabs there should instead of counting their oil money and how many cars they have, they should start counting Israeli population because people there are not going anywhere.
     
  4. Scarecrow

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    Those are terms that should happen. Israel and Palestine should live side by side with there own nations and do so without either one having to worry about being attacked or occupied. Israel should also be recognized as a free state with a right to exist.

    I agree with you on the dismantling of hezbollah and hamas, iran's little proxy terrorists should be taken apart so they can't start any more wars. Which have only served to hurt all involved.
     
  5. Yañez

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    Agree, but it has been proven time and time again that its Israel that starts, and not just this time
     
  6. odessit19

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    Your whole statement could be debated and has been debated ad naseum here.
     
  7. Turkoglu

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    Actually more than Israel, it is up to Jewish lobby and the American public to solve this problem. I don't know about the people in the states, but most of the people around me and in Europe are sick and tired of this years and years of conflict. They want a solution.

    It should start by the West realizing that most of the terrorism in the world comes mainly from poverty, not only from ideology. It is easy to say, he was a fanatic of this and that, that's why he became a terrorist. Well if you are a kid, and you have no life, no hope, no future, and you grow up in shambles, seeing all the people are around you having nothing but just a god to hold on to, then it is very easy to manipulate you and make you a terrorist or a Hamas militant etc.. Palestine and the areas around Israel has to be re-constructed, blockades have to be liften and people must be given a chance to live.

    Only then long term peace can be achieved.
     
  8. odessit19

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    You give way too much credit to the "Jewish" lobby.
    As for your other points, I don't really disagree, but it's up to Palestinians and other Arab nation, who claim to "care" about Palestinians, to bring that change. When people elect Hamas knowing full well what Hamas stands for and when Hamas uses most financial aid to bring in weapons, to train militarily and to spout hatred, instead of focusing on economy and improving people's lives, one has to wonder what are their true motives.

    Gaza had that chance you speak about, at least initially, but we all know what come of it. For all the wrong Israel is calimed to have done, they still give Gaza all electricity, all fuel, all water and 90% of humanitarian aid to Gaza comes through and from Israel.

    People there must say enough of violence, let's try something different.

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/872205.html

    Palestinians completely dependent on Israel for electricity,
    gasoline, fuel and water
     
  9. Smiley321

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    And one where the non-Israelis decide that it's no longer wise to twist the tiger's tail
     
  10. Borussia

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    If the people in Gaza back Hamas that much, they should not complain about the consequences of conflicts/wars caused by their crazy leaders and should be well aware that they decided against an united Palestinian state and for a continuation of poverty (since a violent & terroristic Hamas won't get financial support from the USA/EU & also many Arab countries, whereas their "wealthy" Iranian friends apparently have only rockets and weapons to offer)!

    Hamas will have to disarm, hence ... then Israel & Egypt will open the borders for letting them trade with goods, but at the same time preventing them from smuggling anymore weapons to Gaza. And then let's wait up the overwhelming financial support for Gaza from Iran...


    That's pretty naive. The German population got severely punished for the crimes ordered by the Nazi government, the Serbs got punished through NATO bombs & embargos for the crimes commited by their government, the Iraqi population got punished through bombardements & embargos for Saddam's invasion of Kuweit ... and Iran's population will surely get punished with bombardements as well in the case that its government should start causing a war in Middle East. With these examples (I could list some more), I just try to show you that there's very well some responsibility of the population for electing a "crazy" government. I don't say it's absolutely fair ... but that's how it always works during wars. Unfortunately, the population had to suffer pretty often in history because of the craziness of its leaders resp. for electing them.
     
  11. Umar

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    That was a normative statement. I agree that populations get punished collectively. The question is whether they should get punished for the actions of their leaders.
     
  12. odessit19

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    If we are going to argue morals we should start a new thread. If we are going to talk about reality on the ground, then...

    Let me ask you this, if people don't take responsibility for their actions which in effect cause them harm, shouldn't the same people correct their past actions? Otherwise, in example with Gaza, their leaders will continue choosing war over peace, violence over prosperity, extremism over freedom, thus leading those who brought them to power to more despair and chaos.
     
  13. Borussia

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    Are you really so nearsighted not to check the reason for the Afghanistan war? Who backed Al Qaida before 9/11? Where did all terrorists of the whole world get trained?

    But well, maybe you should live under the Sharia of the Taliban regime instead of being a UK citizen...


    The ideology shouldn't be underestimated, though. I.e., the 9/11 terrorists & many other terrorists were not really poor and also not uneducated. In fact, it's often students (not only in the Arab world & history) who were/are prone to radicalism for some strange reasons...
     
  14. Scarecrow

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    To add to that, the effects of the Treaty of Versailles caused the Germans great hardship and led directly to the rise of the Nazis as well as the start of WWII in Europe.
     
  15. Borussia

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    Well, let's stop discussing the whole WWI - WWII era here...;)


    Btw: IM forgot to post a 6th choice in his poll. What about a "3 states" solution? :)

    The state of Israel, the state of West Bank and the state of Gaza (ruled by a disarmed Hamas).

    Well, I'm just kidding...
     
  16. Yañez

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    You would do more than twist the tiger's tail if the tiger was chewing on your head.
     
  17. yasik19

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    I'll tell you what is not the solution? Having folks like this around.

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  18. The Devil's Architect

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    Proof that an incomplete education isn't always better than no education at all.
     
  19. GringoTex

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    Where's the "Bomb the Netherlands" option?
     
  20. Yañez

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    Hitler would kill them too in a minute, kind of like the neo-nazis in Latin America :rolleyes:
     
  21. Mojam5

    Mojam5 New Member

    Sep 21, 2007
    very mature post especially coming from a moderator :rolleyes:. Yeah, because every single one of them think that way right? so there is no need for a solution, its best to keep bombing them all women and children in fear of signs like that :rolleyes:
     
  22. Matt Clark

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    :rolleyes: right back at you. Yasik is referring to the people holding the sign. A sign which is as idiotic and purile as it is reprehensible. The world can indeed do without people like that. They're part of the problem, not the solution and thus surplus to requirements.
     
  23. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

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    Indeed.
     
  24. yasik19

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    Thank you Matt.
     
  25. Mojam5

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    Sep 21, 2007
    then why focus on them? would it be logical if i posted bigoted zionists that were equally as hateful? what does that accomplish unless the poster has an alternative proganda approach for such posts.

    this is the equivalent: I'll tell you what is not the solution? Having folks like this around.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FJfrZt5Btw"]YouTube - Jews " Killer of Jesus "[/ame]

    or how the israelis treat the women and children going to their homes:
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGYT0O5INq4&feature=related"]YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.[/ame]

    Do you see how these types of arguements go nowhere??
     

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