Derby willing to sell, but at the right price

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by Sam Hamwich, Jan 17, 2008.

  1. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    It seems Benny is finished at Derby, but they want equal or higher to what they paid.

    MLS is calling, but $2Mm transfer fee?

    might be worth it. He could be their american poster child as Donovan seeks even calmer waters.


    Of course, it will not be great for his career, confidence or chances to get back to Europe.

    All told, he must be truly regretting his move from Hamburg. Of course, they were more than willing to sell him on to Derby.
     
  2. deron

    deron New Member

    Jul 25, 2006
    Centennial, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is he worth $2 million to MLS?

    From what I've seen he's a pretty good player. His European adventures suggests that we're not seeing the full picture.
     
  3. Too bad he doesn't want to go to MLS...
     
  4. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Things change. Maybe that will too.
     
  5. FirstStar

    FirstStar Hustlin' for the USA

    Fulham Football Club
    Feb 1, 2005
    Time's Arrow
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree with that. The lure of playing soccer beyond the length of his current contract might focus Benny very tightly on what options remain.
     
  6. Bigrose30

    Bigrose30 Member+

    Sep 11, 2004
    Jersey City, NJ
    I can't see how Benny's value has increased given that he's only made a handful of first team appearances the entire season.

    Derby are looking to cut their losses here, and are posturing to prevent low-ball first offers. Then they'll refuse the first offer and bite on the second.

    It's a pretty standard formula.

    However, as far as MLS is concered, I don't think it'll be the transfer fee that will be an issue, it'll be the wages. MLS has a history of extending very low salary offers to young players who went straight to Europe and then decided to head home. Benny will have a slight advantage as he has some international appearances for the US. But he doesn't have much of a club history to speak of. I can't see him getting anything more than a $100,000 offer. Benny's going to have to really want to come home to take the pay cut here.

    As far as I'm concerned, a loan makes the most sense. Derby loans Benny to MLS and MLS covers $100k of his salary. They'll want an buyout number (say $3 mill or so) at which MLS can automatically purchase him outright at the end of the loan. Benny gets the playing time that he desparately needs throughout the MLS season, then Derby can get a more polished Benny or $3 mill for the transfer kitty for their promotion push next winter.

    Derby wins and Benny wins. MLS might not bite though. Unless he goes to LA...:rolleyes:
     
  7. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    He can't be making that much with Derby.

    But his sale will go through in the last few days of the window.

    However, I doubt it will be to MLS.
     
  8. silverlion

    silverlion Member

    Nov 23, 2001
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He could come to MLS, or another Euro club, on loan deal until the summer then Derby could sell him later on it doesn't have to be a permanent deal. BTW, if he comes to MLS is there a draft or lottery for his rights?
     
  9. etastic

    etastic New Member

    Jul 14, 2007
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    well, he's supposed to be up for allocation. The allocation order is in inverse order of standing in the previous season's points table, with expansion SJ getting the first spot.

    So, it SHOULD be something like 1. San Jose, 2. TFC, 3. RSL.......
    Number one gets first choice, if they pass, it goes to number 2, etc. If allocation is used, that team drops to last in the list.

    However, MLS doesn't always follow its own rules, and has done the devil's math in the past to funnel players to LA or NY, even if they shouldn't have gotten a player due to the allocation list.
     
  10. BelhavenKeeper

    BelhavenKeeper New Member

    Nov 15, 2002
    Vienna, Austria
    If he comes to MLS you know somehow LA will wind up with him. As unfair as that would be, it would certainly go a ways into turning them into a decent side. They'll probably find some way to land Jay Jay Okocha and then sign the Anti-Christ to play left mid. That would give them service from both flanks for Donovan and their latest DP, Satan. I hate Alexi Lalas.

    Off topic, I hope Columbus' DP is Patrick Kluivert. That would be hilarious and the only signing worse than the Denilson thing.
     
  11. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Yup.

    There were plenty of suitors when he was shopped around last time. He took a gamble going to Derby as many saw them as a team that was really going to struggle this season, and it didn't work out. Benny needs to be playing first-team football somewhere if he expects to be a part of our world cup qualifying campaign (which starts this year). If he came to MLS and played well, he'd be in there. He's a California kid, and San Jose (for example) has plenty of cap room. They could sign Kamani Hill AND Benny Feilhaber. I like it.
     
  12. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He was SOLD from Hamburg to Derby, right? He wasn't out of contract, I'm 99.9% sure.

    In that case, he can't be transferred outside of England until next summer. Not unless Derby release him, with the attendant payout to Benny. There's a FIFA rule that came in at the same time as the transfer windows were standardized and shrunk that says a player can't be transferred internationally 3 times in a year. I don't see how Benny goes ANYWHERE outside of England. Maybe a loan-with-option would be legal. I dunno.
     
  13. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    Patiently awaiting the Free Benny Brigade.
     
  14. Friedel'sAccent

    Friedel'sAccent Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Providence, RI
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Am I missing something, or would this be his second transfer in a year, and third club? So does the rule cover the actual transfers, or the number of clubs a player can play for in a year? Because 3 international transfers in a year would mean 4 clubs!
     
  15. braun

    braun Red Card

    Feb 22, 2001
    metro Boston
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If what you say is true (and I don't know if it is), then a loan to a Colaship club is likely. That might be good for Benny, but obviously not as sexy as playing in Israel. And, the level of competition will be similar.
     
  16. ETSC

    ETSC Member

    Jul 5, 2004
    That trendline doesn't bode well.
     
  17. Count

    Count New Member

    Oct 7, 2007
    Chapel Hill
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What MLS Club would honestly pay what Derby is asking? There is no way that Benny Feilhaber is worth what the same money could buy you in South America.

    Hell, DC was going to sign Juan Sebastian Veron for the same money.
     
  18. seanie blue

    seanie blue New Member

    Jul 5, 2007
    Good point.

    Feilhaber's stock has gone down not just from his inability to get on the field with Derby, but because of his lackluster play for the USMNT. He'll be loaned to a Milwall-type club, then sold next January to a second-tier team in France, or the lower first division in Holland or the second division in Spain, if he's lucky. He cannot be worth more than $100K to an MLS team, even considering the small-time marketing hype he could create.

    His reputation as a turnover machine, as I've pointed out for six months, will preclude any serious offer for him. I'm sure Derby would be happy to get half a million pounds ($1-million) back for him, but from whom?

    If he plays in Israel he'll be in front of 2,000 fans every week. Do the math; they can't pay him more than $100K a year, if that, never mind a transfer fee.

    Don't be surprised if he slips down to the third division in England on loan. (That would be Division 1.) He might help a team at that level.

    It's up to him to rebuild his shattered rep. I don't think he can do it. He's a very nice guy, but you cannot regularly give the ball way to the opposition, and that's his downfall.
     
  19. ossieend

    ossieend New Member

    Apr 3, 2005
    derby u.k.
    Cards on the table. I'm a Derby fan with a big interest in the game in the US and I'd love to see Benny doing well for Derby.
    But.......the bit in the quote that I've boldened. I wish some of the people on the gameday threads would ask themselves what Benny is really worth on the current transfer market.
     
  20. alocksley

    alocksley Member

    Jan 30, 2004
    Burbank, CA
    Some of your assertions here are wrong. Derby has already turned down half a million pounds for him. Maccabi is owned by a gazilionaire who could easily afford Benny and his asking price.

    I think "shattered rep" is a bit strong. His stock is down, for sure, but anyone who saw him play for the Nats over the summer can easily see the upside. To say that there will be no offers for him is absurd. There have already been offers. The fact that Derby didn't just jump at the first one is testament to, at the very least, what they think his value is.
     
  21. ossieend

    ossieend New Member

    Apr 3, 2005
    derby u.k.
    About six years ago I saw a sign just above the doorway as I left the home changing room at Pride Park. Now, I don't know if it's still there "Jim Smith was gaffer at the time", but if it is maybe Benny "and most of our current first team" should read it. It says " The biggest crime in football is to give the ball to the opposition."

    Just checked, eight years ago nearly. Time flies.
     
  22. golazo68

    golazo68 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 21, 2004
    Brazil
    You just described Derby's entire team.
     
  23. CommonSense

    CommonSense Member

    Jul 12, 2006
    Portland
    anyone that follows MLS knows the league isn't going to pay 1 million US just to get Benny back home, christ, if he can't get much time for Derby he may not start for most MLS sides. Loaning him to MLS seems a good idea, but I'd have to believe Derby would prefer to loan him to a CCC or League 1 promotion battler rather than send him to MLS, especially considering Benny would be playing in MLS for the beginning of Derby's CCC campaign next year.
     
  24. owendylan

    owendylan Member

    May 30, 2001
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United

    Here is the relevant part of teh FIFA regs.

    Players may be registered with a maximum of three clubs during
    one season. During this period, the player is only eligible to play
    official matches for two clubs. As an exception to this rule, a player
    moving between two clubs belonging to associations with overlapping
    seasons (i.e. start of the season in summer/autumn as opposed to
    winter/spring) may be eligible to play in official matches for a third
    club during the relevant season, provided he has fully complied with
    his contractual obligations towards his previous clubs. Equally, the
    provisions relating to the registration periods (article 6) as well as to the
    minimum length of a contract (article 18 paragraph 2) must be respected.

    So I think that since he has only played for Derby this season, he could be transfered and play for another team immediately.
     
  25. Alex_1

    Alex_1 Member

    Mar 29, 2002
    Zürich
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    I agree that a loan deal seems liek the best bet. Now... to find a team that's seen enough of him to bite at the loan...
     

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