Rotation Watch 2007/2008

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  1. revelationx

    revelationx Member+

    Jun 5, 2006
    London
    This thread is going to list all the starting lineups of the Big 5 - Liverpool, Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs in the coming season. Only Premiership lineups will be listed. I will also add the no. of changes in the lineup from the previous League match and the total changes for that team so far. I will also list the result of the match.

    The point is to see who has made the most changes at any given point and if there is a noticeably positive or negative impact on the result. We will clearly see whether Rafa rotates in a comparable way to Wenger, Fergie, Jol or Jose. These comparisons can be seen as the season unfolds.
     
  2. bayern is god

    bayern is god Member+

    May 26, 2007
    india
    great thread dude!!!!...looong live the rotation saga:)
     
  3. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    Good idea, I'll be sure to let the media know....and it won't make any difference to them. But I like it.
     
  4. el-capitano

    el-capitano Moderator
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    Aug 30, 2005
    Sydney
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    Australia
  5. Red Bird

    Red Bird Member+

    Sep 30, 2003
    Oxford
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    In the meantime, and to bump up the thread, here's Thommo.
    and further down
     
  6. revelationx

    revelationx Member+

    Jun 5, 2006
    London
    Great article. Nice to see someone has looked into the facts of this and published an article. Tompkins is always a quality writer.
     
  7. Red Bird

    Red Bird Member+

    Sep 30, 2003
    Oxford
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    And Mourinho bats for rotation.
    The sheer effrontery!
     
  8. quentinc

    quentinc New Member

    Jan 3, 2005
    Annapolis, MD
  9. CCSC_STRIKER20

    CCSC_STRIKER20 New Member

    May 14, 2005
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I really do like this idea...will provide a lots of discussion and criticism of the top fives rosters...this just gets me more excited for the new season.
     
  10. Suss

    Suss Moderator
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    Aug 11, 2003
    New York
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    Liverpool FC
    Good stuff as usual from Tomkins. Nice to see some actual facts introduced into the argument.

    This season Rafa can rotate the squad without seeing a drop in quality.
     
  11. Twenty26Six

    Twenty26Six Feeling Sheepish...

    Jan 2, 2004
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All aboard...
     
  12. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

    Dec 19, 1999
    Liverpool
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Subscribing - I was going to dig out that post I did earlier this summer with the line-ups of the side for the first three months of last season which showed that we didn't rotate a lot at all, contrary to what all the media, all opposing fans and even some of our own fans believe. But I couldn't find it immediately, so I stopped looking. I'm an instant gratifications sort of a guy. :)
     
  13. revelationx

    revelationx Member+

    Jun 5, 2006
    London
    Re: Rotation watch 2007/2008 [R]

    Here we go. Results in chronological order...

    Team: Spurs
    Fixture: Spurs @ Sunderland
    Lineup: Robinson, Chimbonda, Gardner, Stalteri, Yaboul, Jenas, Zokora, Malbranque, Tainio, Berbatov and Keane.
    Games played: 1
    Changes from last game: N/A
    Match Result: Loss
    Total lineup changes so far: 0
     
  14. Teso Dos Bichos

    Teso Dos Bichos Red Card

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    Very interesting idea.
     
  15. revelationx

    revelationx Member+

    Jun 5, 2006
    London
    Team: Liverpool
    Fixture: Liverpool @ Aston Villa
    Lineup: Reina, Finnan, Carragher, Agger, Arbeloa, Pennant, Gerrard, Alonso, Riise, Torres, Kuyt.
    Games played: 1
    Changes from last game: N/A
    Match Result: Win
    Total lineup changes so far: 0
     
  16. CCSC_STRIKER20

    CCSC_STRIKER20 New Member

    May 14, 2005
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The rotation watch train is now leaving the station...revelationx, this idea is genius.
     
  17. revelationx

    revelationx Member+

    Jun 5, 2006
    London
    Team: Arsenal
    Fixture: Arsenal vs. Fulham
    Lineup: Lehmann, Clichy, Eboue, Toure, Gallas, Sagna, Fabregas, Flamini, Hleb, Rosicky, Van Persie.
    Games played: 1
    Changes from last game: N/A
    Match Result: Win
    Total lineup changes so far: 0
     
  18. revelationx

    revelationx Member+

    Jun 5, 2006
    London
    Team: Chelsea
    Fixture: Chelsea Vs. Birmingham
    Lineup: Cech, Cole, Ben Haim, Carvalho, Johnson, Lampard, Essien, Pizarro, Wright-Phillips, Malouda, Kalou.
    Games played: 1
    Changes from last game: N/A
    Match Result: Win
    Total lineup changes so far: 0
     
  19. revelationx

    revelationx Member+

    Jun 5, 2006
    London
    Team: Man Utd
    Fixture: Man Utd Vs Reading
    Lineup: Van Der Sar, Brown, Ferdinand, Vidic, Silvestre, Evra, C Ronaldo, Scholes, Carrick, Giggs, Rooney
    Games played: 1
    Changes from last game: N/A
    Match Result: Draw
    Total lineup changes so far: 0
     
  20. Teso Dos Bichos

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    Incidently, are injuries being considered at all during this exercise? Obviously rotating a squad and having your hand forced through injury are two different things.
     
  21. revelationx

    revelationx Member+

    Jun 5, 2006
    London

    This thread will not distinguish between the reasons for team changes. When people criticize Rafa for rotating they do not distinguish between injuries or other reasons for changing teams.

    When listing changes made, it is impossible to determine the reasons behind them all. Some players may be coming back from an injury and are not match fit or may have picked up a niggle in training. Either way the management team is aware and takes this into consideration when selecting a team. Outside the management team the reasons for any changes are only speculated upon. Is a player rested, swapped for tactical reasons, has he fallen out with the boss, has he a personal issue, is he injured, is he ill, is he unfit? All these reasons cannot be known with certainty and thus I will not attempt to classify the reasons behind each change. I will just list what are the known facts - the lineups and the changes made.

    This thread is not intended to make judgements but just record the facts regarding team changes as the season progresses.
     
  22. Teso Dos Bichos

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    Okay, just wanted to clarify that point.
     
  23. SiriuslyCold

    SiriuslyCold Member

    Aug 3, 2004
    Malaysia
    Nat'l Team:
    Malaysia
    nice. the press however are not going to let facts get in the way of criticism :)

    can I suggest a couple of things

    - tabulated format instead of linear - even though by the end of the season only the last round of postings will show the results. We can put this in a shared spreadsheet @ google. we could do this at the end of the season, but who will want to recap..

    - headcount perhaps (number of players used in starting lineups)?
     
  24. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    I'm getting a headache already. I'll wait for the end of season Highlight DVD.

    Better go "sticky" with this one.
     
  25. revelationx

    revelationx Member+

    Jun 5, 2006
    London

    - You want to create a table/spreadsheet, go ahead. Can we post/paste tables from Word here at BigSoccer? I'll think about it.

    - If you want to keep count of how many matches a particular player starts you can. This data can be found elsewhere though. I am just recording the lineups and changes, as the changes are not recorded elsewhere AFAIK.
     

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