Nations League A, Camp 1, Cuba/Canada, Oct. 11/15

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  1. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I forgot about the November games also being LoN games against Cuba/Canada as well.

    My revised group:

    Out: Yedlin, Adams, Miazga, and Weah

    October vs Cuba
    GK Horvath
    RB Cannon
    CB Zimmerman
    CB Long
    LB Dest
    M6 McKennie (CPT)
    M8 Pomykal (Mendez) 70
    10 Pulisic
    RW Arriola
    FW Sargent (Soto) 70
    LW Ferreira (Konrad) 80

    October vs Canada
    GK Steffen
    RB Dest
    CB Long
    CB Brooks
    LB A. Robinson
    M6 Morales
    M8 McKennie [CPT]
    10 Pomykal (Milejevic) 70
    RW Boyd (Llanez) 80
    FW Altidore (Sargent) 60
    LW Pulisic

    ————
    November vs Canada
    GK Steffen
    RB Cannon
    CB Brooks
    CB Long
    LB Dest (Gloster) 80
    M6 Morales (Servania) 70
    M8 McKennie [CPT]
    10 Pomykal
    RW Arriola
    FW Sargent (Soto) 70
    LW Pulisic

    November vs Cuba
    GK Horvath
    RB Richards (Araujo) 70
    CB Alvarado
    CB M. Robinson (CCV) 80
    LB A. Robinson
    M6 McKennie [CPT]
    M8 Mendez
    10 Pomykal (Ledezma) 80
    RW Boyd
    FW Sargent
    LW Holmes

    Not used but considered:
    Lletget
    Cappis
    Sabbi
    Johnson
    Chandler
    Amon
    Lichaj
    Green
    Thompson
    Roldan
    Aaronson
    Lima
    Toye
    Reyna
     
  2. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think Adams should be back by November for sure and maybe October.
     
  3. yurch10

    yurch10 Member+

    Feb 13, 2004
    Yeah, agreed. Reminds me of the ole "Morales wasn't good in 2015, no reason to call him up now!"

    A few posters have mentioned here that Alvarado has been good-to-excellent recently in Mexico, and maybe even captaining his side? I don't follow the league at all, but would be interested in hearing more about his performances, and certainly getting him back into camp at some point (if he can surpass Omar).

    He was horrid when Klinsy tried him out (one of his bold moves that failed, though I appreciated the effort), but certainly would like to see him again if he deserves it, especially considering he is only 27.
     
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  4. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Mediapro Canada will broadcast free Nation League games on twitter for those who are interested....Starting today between Panama and Bermuda
     
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  5. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Sunny San Diego
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Chandler was never going to be good enough to play for Germany and Jonathan Gonzalez switched to play for Mexico and then was left off the World Cup roster.
     
  6. kba4life1

    kba4life1 Member+

    Jul 14, 2010
    Irvine, CA
    It’s sad that I’m scared of losing to Canada, and that I, am looking up these scores. Canada only won 1-0 away today, Canada had a red card a bit into the 2nd half. That, combined with their win at home puts them at a GD of +7.

    With how shit we are, I wouldn’t be surprised if we lose to them in Toronto. I suppose a draw would be nice, and would put us in the drivers seat to win the group.
     
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  7. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My Revised Roster (not what I think 3G will do)

    GK: Zack Steffen, Ethan Horvath, Brady Scott

    RB: Reggie Cannon, Nick Lima

    CB: Miles Robinson, Walker Zimmerman

    CB: Tim Ream, Ventura Alvarado

    LB: Sergino Dest* (Eric Lichaj), (Antonee Robinson)

    M6: Weston McKennie (CPT), Jackson Yuiell

    M8: Paxton Pomykal, Alex Mendez

    10: Sebastian Lletget, Matko Miljevic

    RW: Jordan Morris, Paul Arriola

    FW: Josh Sargent, Jozy Altidore, Sebastian Soto

    LW: Christian Pulisic, Duane Holmes


    Note: instead of bringing in a MLS keeper away from his club, I’d say call in Scott.

    Note: Out due to injury or just returning from injury: Adams, Morales, Yedlin, Brooks, Weah, Miazga

    Note: u23’s I wanted to bring in but can wait on: Richards, Ferreira, Ledezma, Gloster, Llanez, Servania.

    Note: Cut from this group - Aaron Long, Tyler Boyd, Daniel Lovitz, Wil Trapp, Michael Bradley, Gyasi Zardes, Cristian Roldan, Corey Baird. Long, Roldan, and Boyd are still in the picture but it’s time to see from someone else.

    Note: I’m hoping Dest accepts the call up. Regardless, I’d probably call up his replacement, Lichaj, anyways. Note that if Dest does refuse, then call up Antonee.

    Notes: Weston McKennie is going to have to drop back into the 6. I’m adamant about not relying on Bradley/Trapp in these games, and Adams/Morales are injured and I’m not ready to rely on anyone else as a starter.

    Note: Initially, I was going to run out different XI against Cuba and Canada, but given how poorly we played against Mexico/Uruguay.... this team needs reps. Although, I may start Lima against Cuba and Cannon against Canada.

    Note: subs vs Cuba (Soto, Miljevic, Mendez)

    Note: subs vs Canada (Altidore, Holmes, Arriola)
     
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  8. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    are you calling mendez/soto to cap tie?

    might as well throw ferreira in.
     
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  9. Eleven Bravo

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    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That and to give them the experience at this level.

    There’s no need to see Zardes, Trapp, and Roldan continue to prove they’re not that next level we want them to be at. (Although, I’m not completely over Roldan yet).
     
  10. NietzscheIsDead

    NietzscheIsDead Member+

    NO WAR
    United States
    May 31, 2019
    NO WAR
    The strategy for the first 23 is going to be to win the games and continue working on implementing the new system. That means that we should expect to see many of the same guys with a change here or there.

    I think that we'll see both Altidore and Bradley.


    vs. Canada
    -----------------------------Altidore-------------------------------
    Pulisic--------------------------------------------------Arriola
    -----------------Adams-------------McKennie--------------
    Dest-----------------------------------------------------Cannon
    ----------------------------Bradley--------------------------------
    ----------------Ream----------------Brooks-------------------
    ----------------------------Steffen---------------------------------

    Morris
    Weah
    Sargent
    Lima
    Yuiell
    Long
    Morales
    Toye
    Holmes
    Pomykal
    Horvath
    Hamid

    vs. Cuba
    -----------------Sargent (Toye 75')-------------------------
    Weah--------------------------------------------------Morris
    -----------------Morales------------Holmes--------------
    Dest-------------------------------------------------------Lima
    ----------------------------Bradley--------------------------------
    ----------------Ream----------------Long-----------------------
    ----------------------------Hamid---------------------------------

    Arriola
    Weah
    Altidore
    Cannon
    Yuiell
    Brooks
    Adams
    Toye
    McKennie
    Pomykal
    Steffen
    Hamid
     
  11. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We should call up Uly Llanez for these games.
     
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  12. Eleven Bravo

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    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Update from 10 days ago...


    GK Zack Steffen, Ethan Horvath, Brady Scott

    *Horvath starts against Cuba

    RB Sergino Dest (Eric Lichaj), Tim Chandler

    *Lichaj and Chandler called in if Dest declines. In that case, Chandler against Canada and Lichaj against Cuba.

    CB John Brooks, Chris Richards

    CB Ventura Alvarado, Cameron Carter-Vickers

    *CCV plays against Cuba and Alvarado against Canada.

    LB Antonee Robinson, Chris Gloster

    *Robinson plays against Canada and Gloster against Cuba

    M6 Weston McKennie, Jackson Yuiell

    M8 Paxton Pomykal, Alex Mendez

    10 Sebastian Lletget, Richard Ledezma

    RW Jordan Morris, Jesus Ferreira

    FW Josh Sargent, Sebastian Soto

    LW Christian Pulisic, Matko Miljevic

    Subs vs Canada:
    1. Ledezma (Lletget) 70
    2. Mendez (Pomykal) 70
    3. Soto (Sargent) 60

    Subs vs Cuba
    1. Miljevic (Morris) 70
    2. Ferreira (Lletget) 70
    3. Soto (Sargent) 60

    Out injured, otherwise would have been called in:
    Adams
    Weah
    Llanez
    Morales
     
  13. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Llanez should be healthy by then.
     
  14. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Are you really going to make EB earn his BS salary? If Llanez is in, who's out?
     
  15. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Morris or Baird.
     
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  16. Eleven Bravo

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    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If Llanez is in...

    (Also, Just saw that Brooks will be out)

    Cuba
    ————Sargent(Soto)70———-
    Pulisic———————Ferreira(Llanez)80
    ——Lletget——Pomykal(Mendez)70—-
    —————McKennie(CPT)————-
    Gloster——————————Dest/Lichaj
    ———Alvarado———Long—————
    ——————-Horvath———————-

    Canada
    ————Sargent(Soto)70—————-
    Pulisic—————————Morris(Miljevic)80
    ———-Lletget——Pomykal(Ledezma)70-
    —————-McKennie(CPT)—————-
    Robinson———————-Dest/Chandler
    ————CCV————Long——————
    ———————Steffen————————
     
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  17. kickin365

    kickin365 Member+

    Mar 4, 2002
    While I agree with most of this, there’s a snowballs chance in hell that Egg goes for something like this. Multiple guys who haven’t played first team pro minutes? Nope.
     
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  18. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    Just to re-state my philosophy on this ….. call in dual nationals, especially ones that have been contacted by other feds.

    If the guy isn't ready to commit to the U.S., that's fine. You know where the guy stands. If he looks like a star in the making (Dest) keep calling him in. If there is another guy on his heels, then next man up.

    I'm saying this for guys that have come up through our youth ranks, or have been developed in MLS. If we back off a guy, and another country capties him to play keep away. That will be an object lesson for youngsters coming up in the future.

    If you call up a guy for a captie-ing match, that tells you where the guy's head is. Move on to players that are committed to U.S., unless the guy is "can't miss."
     
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  19. NietzscheIsDead

    NietzscheIsDead Member+

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    May 31, 2019
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    I guess we'll find out soon enough with Sergino. I'm sure that the USMNT already knows what he's thinking and is planning accordingly.

    If Sergino can't decide this week, I call in Chris Gloster and/or Ryan Hollingshead. That lets all of them know that the role is there for the taking. It also lets Sergino know that any slip in indecision can be capitalized upon by an upstart competitor, and if that upstart claims the position than it's an opportunity lost.

    That's the risk for Dest here. He has the inside track on a world cup. If he blinks, I think Gloster, Hollingshead, or another player very well could step up and take the position and make it their own.
     
  20. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think Gloster may grab the spot by WC time letting Dest go to right back. Plenty of competition and depth though so no slips and falls or you're out.

    The roster should come out soon if they're to have a camp beforehand. Has there been a date mentioned?
     
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  21. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Maybe. Who knows. We have heard thru the grapevine that there's a U23 camp in October as well as they prepare for Olympic qualifying. So a bunch of the kids people are writing into their lineups for the Nationas League could be there instead. Ledesma in particular has talked about wanting to be at that U23 camp.

    I mean, the USMNT is basically a U23 team at this point. 20 players that are eligible for the U23s have at least one USMNT cap at the moment. Pulisic, McKennie, Adams, and Sargent are likely "promoted" to the first team, and won't participate in Olympic qualifying. Maybe Dest too if he chooses the US program.

    But this next group down that haven't impacted first team club soccer yet...……….the Ledesma, Mendez, Gloster, Richards, Llanez, etc. types are more likely to be with the U23s.



     
  22. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The U20's smell blood in the water and that's a good thing. they are confident if they get in there they have a real chance to play for the full team and a shot at a WC.
     
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  23. NietzscheIsDead

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    I could see Sargent and maybe McKennie and Adams wanting to play in the Olympics. Maybe even Pulisic. It's supposed to be quite an experience.
     
  24. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    #74 Clint Eastwood, Sep 25, 2019
    Last edited: Sep 25, 2019
    Sure.................

    But the squad has to play in the CONCACAF U23 championships first.
    Clubs can refuse callups to any youth event. In the past we've had a hard time getting players who are needed by Euro first teams for the CONCACAF tournament. Regardless of the time of the year. Its really hard to predict. This time the qualifying tournament is in March. The USSF staff has to prepare right now for the eventuality that players like Pulisic, McKennie, Adams, Weah, Sargent, etc. aren't going to be available for the qualifying tournament. Clubs don't need a reason to reject those U23 callups even if they don't have games.. They can just not feel like it.

    The Mendez, Ledezma, Llanez, Richards, Gloster category of player is more likely to be released. For the moment they're not first team players, although that can change and then release is less likely. Anyway......................I suspect that these are the types of players that are going to be at the U23 camp in October and not with the USMNT for the League of Nations. I think its even more likely as some MLS clubs in the playoff push may decline the callups to U23 camp too. I suspect there's a ton of negotiating going on behind the scenes right now. That October U23 camp could be almost predominantly non-first-team Euro-based players plus players from just the few MLS clubs definitely out of the playoffs. As clubs are eliminated, players can be added. Like say..............the FC Dallas players. Currently they're hanging on to a playoff spot. Its all hands on deck time.

    What's more important? CONCACAF League of Nation or the Olympics?

    Depends who you ask. Some people say ANY senior USMNT event should be prioritized over a youth event. Some say the Olympics in the United States are so high profile, that success there can be "difference making."
     
  25. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    FYI......................still another week to go:
     
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