Argentine NT: News, Stats & Players [R]

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  1. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #9001 locoxriver, Nov 23, 2019
    I slept.. maybe an hour or two... but I slept.

    Hopefully it's an entertaining game. Finals tend to be poorly played games that don't live up to expectations (Liverpool-Tottenham anyone?? Spain-Holland? Atletico-Real? Liverpool-Real?). Too many nerves when so much is at stake that passing tends to turn imprecise and clumsy challenges become the norm. We saw it to an extent in last year's Libertadores final, where, despite River's 3 golazos, the overall performance between the two sides was lower than it should have been given the quality of the players on the pitch.

    Still, if there's a final I would recommend to a neutral, it's this one. Both River and Flamengo are offensive-minded teams filled with great, technical players. Both sides could easily be NTs, tbh... Like I said, that doesn't promise a well-played match, but at least we won't be expecting anyone to sit back for longer parts of the game (unless there's an early goal)
     
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  2. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #9002 Burr, Nov 23, 2019
    :whistling:
     
  3. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #9003 locoxriver, Nov 23, 2019
    Congrats to Boca, who after defeating River in semifinals were able to get their revenge and be the champions of the copa li—— oh wait
     
  4. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #9004 SupaMario, Nov 23, 2019
    River manages to lose the game in the last couple minutes of the match and what a brutal way to lose. Pinola... What was he thinking?!
     
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  5. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #9005 Burr, Nov 23, 2019


    So close to greatness, and yet so far...

    "Boy I hope VAR bails us out again..."
     
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  6. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #9006 locoxriver, Nov 23, 2019
    Pinola played an overall fantastic match. While River were up 1-0, he was IMO the man of the match.

    The real question is what was Gallardo thinking bringing in an inexperienced pibe like Julian Alvarez for a key pillar of the midfield like Nacho Fernandez. I wouldn’t have taken Nacho out in such an important game, but if anything bring in Quintero. Julian though? Really?? I felt at the moment that this substitution was a grave error, and I feel in the end it was important to Flamengo’s comeback.

    Bringing in Pratto was also a huge mistake. Of course it’s easy to talk after the fact, but Oso has been slow and a shadow of his former self for months. In fact, he hasn’t even scored all season! And sure enough his pace and mistake led to Fla’s goal

    We all love Gallardo and he’s still the best coach in South America, but just like he has won us big games in the past with his tactics, today his decisions singlehandedly gave away the game.
     
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  7. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #9007 locoxriver, Nov 23, 2019
    Your biggest smiles in the past decade have been thanks to Flamengo and Belgrano, hijitus. Here you are talking about greatness, yet I never see you at the table with the high rollers :whistling:
     
  8. benos

    benos Member

    Nov 28, 2007
    #9008 benos, Nov 23, 2019
    I can't put it on Gallardo. His tactics are the only reason that River were so close to win it. Maybe his subs were mistakes but i think its a little bit being smart after the fact.
     
  9. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #9009 locoxriver, Nov 23, 2019
    Yes, we’re speaking with the morning paper, but even while we were up 1-0 that Julian Alvarez substitution seemed like a huge mistake (as did Pratto’s substitution in, albeit to a lesser extent for obvious reasons).

    Gallardo had already made heavy mistakes tactically and substitution-wise in the second leg of the semifinal vs Boca, although they were downplayed and ignored/forgotten based on the fact that River won the series and advanced to the final. Today, his substitutions were directly correlated to losing the game.

    With that said, I’m not faulting his overall work and I still think he’s by far the best coach in the continent (and one of the best on the planet)... however I’m not going to play blind just because of his past achievements. Today his subs were off and played to Flamengo’s advantage without a doubt
     
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  10. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #9010 Rattlehead, Nov 24, 2019
    Lautaro with another goal aswell. Messi with assist (similar one with his to Kun against Uruguay)
     
  11. Albiceleste2010

    Albiceleste2010 Member+

    Watford
    Argentina
    Jun 5, 2010
    Watford
    Club:
    Watford FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #9011 Albiceleste2010, Nov 24, 2019
    That was terribly disappointing. Gallardo shows he has the nous to be a top coach. The tactics were spot on.

    But the team tired. There was the poor final passes in the final third that had me scratching my eyes and the inability to make the right decisions at the crucial times. The finishing from Palacios from the Suarez chance was poor although he was excellent otherwise.

    Pratto lived up to his name. Instead of holding onto the ball and using his frame to win free kicks he blasted two aimless efforts at goal. He completely missed Montiel out wide in acres of space.

    The crucial error was whoever was in midfield losing the ball prior to the equalizer. They had almost lost the ball once decided to hang onto it and lost it again. Montiel was again in acres of space. Just pass it to him and let him run it into the corner. This sort of nous was sorely lacking. And the sole difference required for them to win. Otherwise River deserved the win. That is a Libertadores thrown away. At 1-0 they should have looked for the killer second and had the chances.
     
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  12. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #9012 SupaMario, Nov 24, 2019
    Futbol is cruel, no matter how good he was that error was just awful. Ayala was a great defender but some of my memories that I remember him are getting turned around by Bergkamp in France, scoring the goal v Germany and then missing a penalty in 06 and in 07 CA Final kicking the ball into our own net.

    I simply can't grasp what Pinola was thinking there...

    Gallardo is an excellent manager and I feel for him but this is a mistake that he'll need to learn from. Pratto giving the ball up the way he did, when I was watching the game on my phone, I was thinking this looks bad since River was outnumbered on the counter.

    I was hoping for the game to go into ET but I felt there was probably another goal coming... River looked deflated and Flamengo found their second wind, which was a bad combination for River.

    River has had immense success in the last few years. Yet at times, people say it is the ones that you lose and the ones you give away are the ones that you'll remember. Losing 3-0 wouldn't have been as bad as just tossing a continental title away.

    I guess we'll see what happens next. Will Gallardo return when the season is over or will Europe come knocking? Palacios is another question... A lot of questions will need to be answered.
     
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  13. DTCrackheads

    DTCrackheads Member

    Barcelona
    Argentina
    Mar 9, 2019
    #9013 DTCrackheads, Nov 24, 2019
    I hope Palacios and Quarta will move to Europe so that they can take their game to next level. Both are exceptional talents.

    I fear for Lo Celso and Foyth at Tottenham. Have we ever had an Argentine play well under Mourinho?
     
  14. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #9014 SupaMario, Nov 24, 2019
    He won the treble with Inter, who had Pupi, Cuchu, Samuel and Milito.

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  15. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
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    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #9015 locoxriver, Nov 24, 2019
    That was...... Pratto
     
  16. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #9016 Rattlehead, Nov 24, 2019
    [​IMG]
     
  17. DTCrackheads

    DTCrackheads Member

    Barcelona
    Argentina
    Mar 9, 2019
    #9017 DTCrackheads, Nov 25, 2019
    Thanks for reminding me. Let's do this Mourinho!
     
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  18. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #9018 SupaMario, Nov 26, 2019
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    Dybala...
     
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  19. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #9019 SupaMario, Nov 26, 2019
    Watching the Madrid-PSG match and I have to say Di Maria is utter shit today, a vintage headless showing for him. Icardi has been okay. He got won a penalty and a red but the ref reversed the call for a phantom foul on the other end.
     
  20. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #9020 SupaMario, Nov 26, 2019
    Papu with a nice one as well.

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  21. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #9021 Rattlehead, Nov 26, 2019
    I dont think Messi ever scores from that kind of angle. Its something I havent seen since Roman days.. or Diego.
     
  22. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #9022 Bada Bing, Nov 27, 2019
    [​IMG]
     
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  23. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #9023 SupaMario, Nov 27, 2019
    Nowhere as good as Dybala’s. Messi should take notes when Dybala is taking FK’s. Dybala has the best success rate in all of Europe. Takes notes, Leo.

     
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  24. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #9024 SupaMario, Nov 27, 2019
    Lautaro with 2 great goals today in the CL.
     
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  25. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #9025 SupaMario, Nov 27, 2019
    Palacios has interest from Ajax and Leverkusen and apparently the German side reps are in town to finalize the deal.
     
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