The Arsenal v. Crystal Palace, Sunday October 27

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by mebeSajid, Oct 25, 2019.

  1. Tonerl

    Tonerl Member+

    Arsenal
    May 10, 2006
    Cincinnati, OH
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Holy shit.
     
  2. banco

    banco Member

    Mar 27, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I don't know what would be worse -- thinking the likes of Martin Atkinson and Mike Dean know nothing about football, or hearing their conversations and having it proven that they know nothing.
     
    Tonerl repped this.
  3. ArsenalJake

    ArsenalJake Member+

    Feb 11, 2013
    Charlotte
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #53 ArsenalJake, Oct 27, 2019
    Last edited: Oct 27, 2019
  4. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
     
  5. KozIsCul

    KozIsCul Member+

    Feb 6, 2005
    Yeah, the biggest thing I don't like about the squad in general is the extent to which the players either genuinely like or at a minimum tolerate Xhaka. It's difficult to convey sometimes the extent to which things are not going well.

    There are so many things going on in players' lives at any particular time, and most of them are probably going pretty well. It's management's responsibility to make sure the players are properly concentrated on the expectations of the club, so that as adversity occurs, they're ready to make adjustments and overcome. Obviously it's not happening that way for us.
     
  6. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Emery is 100% responsible for this
     
  7. KozIsCul

    KozIsCul Member+

    Feb 6, 2005
    Emery is bad, and we should hope that he is sacked as soon as possible. That said, as much as Emery and Xkaka can be separated (which admittedly is hard to do), Xhaka is straight up cancer on the team. Xhaka might even be a bigger problem than Emery even.

    And this has nothing to do with yesterday's drama even. In a particularly absurd waste of time I rewatched the Sheffield United match, and some of the things that had been bugging me under the surface became pretty clear in retrospect. Xhaka represents everything about Arsenal that's not working and the cause of pretty much all of our dropped points in the League.

    His idea of defense is to grab more and run less. He likes to play one touch backward passes in our half which basically guarantee the ball stays in the area the other side is pressing. He can't turn and carry the ball out of pressure. He's sloppy with giveaways in offensive half. He likes the 50 yard thru ball from the middle of our own half that's never on, or rarely amounts to anything if it is. His brain is dialed into drama queen theatrics instead of actually playing the game. Even when he does successfully complete a pass, it's often too slow, and pisses away whatever forward momentum we might have had otherwise.

    The best thing that can be said for Arsenal at this point is that the problems are pretty narrow. If we can figure out a way to shitcan Emery and Xhaka (and not bring in Mourinho) I think things could turn around for us pretty quick.
     
    Shen-O repped this.
  8. MilesW

    MilesW Member+

    Aug 26, 2010
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree that Xhaka is a problem. However, I think Emery is the main problem. Xhaka doesn't pick himself to play every game, Xhaka didn't make himself captain. If Emery doesn't completely botch the selecting a captain process and doesn't force Xhaka into something that very clearly isn't working, none of this happens.
     
  9. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    I thought Ozil was the cancer?

    How much cancer do we have FFS?
     
    Tonerl repped this.
  10. Super Llama

    Super Llama Member+

    May 21, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    We have a lot of cancer dude
     
  11. Tonerl

    Tonerl Member+

    Arsenal
    May 10, 2006
    Cincinnati, OH
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Jitty Slitter repped this.
  12. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    DaPrince84 repped this.
  13. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    It’s a cycle now. Ozil has no match fitness so he won’t play well, and Emery will say Ozil isn’t performing given his opportunities.
     
  14. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, it's like a book I recall from somewhere. Some pilot in some war gets put in these ridiculous no-win situations by his superiors. Can't place the name right now.......
     
    cooper7d7, casoccerdad47, Tonerl and 4 others repped this.
  15. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    LOL
     
  16. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    The problem is they have basically bet the house on forcing him to leave.
     
  17. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I got that one but wouldn’t of 6 months ago
     
  18. Tonerl

    Tonerl Member+

    Arsenal
    May 10, 2006
    Cincinnati, OH
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You weren’t ever curious about yoss’s handle?

    Was the series any good?
     
  19. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Decent. Better than the Alan Arkin movie --- but that's a low bar.
     
  20. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I always just assumed it was an Armenian who loved Yossi Benayoun.
     
  21. KozIsCul

    KozIsCul Member+

    Feb 6, 2005
    Ozil was a cancer on the club a year or two ago. Then the club took a few nasty radiation treatments, and now he's just a benign tumor.
     
  22. KozIsCul

    KozIsCul Member+

    Feb 6, 2005
    I thought so too until a week or so ago, but I looked a little closer at the Sheffield United game and came to the conclusion that pretty much every bad aspect of our culture is pretty directly related to Xhaka.

    Yeah, like I said it's hard to separate them. Over the last week or so, it's becoming increasingly clear that Emery actually wants him, which is completely inexplicable to me. My inclination was to think that the captain thing is a stupid side issue. Then it became clear this was a way to justify playing him and getting the fans off his back, an idea which obviously backfired.

    In any event, I still don't think it's especially important. I don't think it's especially important that he told the fans to fcuk off or that he threw his shirt away after being substituted. Those are minor compounding issues, compared to the fact that he's playing in the first place. That's the real crime in this situation.
     
  23. wanye_stirrear

    wanye_stirrear Member+

    Sep 19, 2002
    Maryland
    I heard that he is a bit of a brown noser. That would explain why he is on Emery’s good side and why he was made captain. To be fair though, it seems like the players like him as well.
     
  24. Walia Ibex

    Walia Ibex Red Card

    Arsenal
    Ethiopia
    Oct 2, 2019
    Yea most of the players like him. He was voted as captain and many of them were shocked, tearful and came to his house on Sunday to support him. Now it's clear Laca and Aubameyang have no use for him but that's only 2 players out of a squad of 20+. Xhaka shouldn't be captain and I think he is a bit of a scapegoat just like Mustafi was last year. It's not his fault that Emery stubbornly selects him to start every game to the detriment of the team. Yes Xhaka is not creative, No he isn't a true DM but Emery is misusing him just like he is misusing Pepe and others. Xhaka has gotten much worse under Emery compared to Wenger so I blame the manager for this controversy not Xhaka.
     
  25. wanye_stirrear

    wanye_stirrear Member+

    Sep 19, 2002
    Maryland
    Meh. Xhaka always sucked, but he has elite fouling and XForwardPasses of 2.0 or something like that.
     

Share This Page