Post-match: Mexico 3-US 0 9.6.19

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  1. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    I'd say not really, but then again the Gold Cup final was his only real opportunity for one thus far. Friendly win last night would've been nice and even heartening, but at the same I wouldn't be championing that result as a definitively great moment for Berhalter and the U.S. had it happened.
     
  2. pirozhok

    pirozhok Member+

    United States
    Jul 20, 2007
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Your rough estimate (excluding organized US fans groups)?
     
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  3. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    midtable coaching tactics. he subbed the precise same 3 guys in -- including roldan and lovitz -- in the semis and final of GC. i say midtable because a winning team usually gets that different games cannot possibly call for one size fits all subbing and tactics. it basically shows you are pushing buttons in a sequence and a prepared timing rather than adjusting to the field play.
     
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  4. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm only half joking in that right now, I'd prefer Julie Ertz as the CDM/#6 over Trapp or Bradley. At least Ertz has that destroyer mentality and understands what that position should do.

    If this match doesn't show Berhalter that Tyler Adams MUST be this team's #6, I don't know what will ever convince him while the USMNT senior team continues to circle down the toilet.
     
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  5. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    The most disappointing player was Morris. He earned the pk and he should have taken it. This is not a video game, you don't get XP for scoring a national team goal.
     
  6. ifsteve

    ifsteve Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Jul 7, 2013
    MS and ID
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why? The Raiders just made one of the best moves they have in years. They dumped AB. What a chump.
     
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  7. Eighteen Alpha

    Eighteen Alpha Member+

    Aug 17, 2016
    Club:
    Stoke City FC
    i see Nacho Libre in your future.
     
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  8. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Today I had time to regurgitate my thoughts from last night's game.
    It is clear to me that GB is not getting the job done.
    I think we had the players to make it more respectable of a game.
    We had a hard time making 1-touch passes in all areas of the field. If you want to break a Mexican press you have to able to complete your 1-touch game. We couldn't and continuously gave the ball away. That is why McKennie and Morales looked disorganized.
    CG had the wrong players on the field. He should have had Sargent as a forward that can help hold on to the ball and is more dynamic in offense than Zardes. He should have started Paxton to partner up with McKennie and moved Morales to the 6 That would have given him more possession on the ball. Trapp was just too slow at reacting and his passing under duress was not good. I would have started Dest at his customary RB position where he is more comfortable, after all, it was his first game with us. Long and Zimerman are not good at passing from the back.

    If I was the coach and I realized we couldn't hold on to the ball and each time we end up giving it to Mexico because they were perfectly placed to intercept the ball, I would have instructed my players to start to play man-to-man even when we have the ball. That would have made any pass a 50-50 situation, thus, breaking everyone's rhythm and Mexico would no longer have a clear advantage.
     
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  9. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i feel like im missing out on having a strong take on the pk. that was like 27th on the list of things just making me miserable and i can only spend so much time picking each individual one apart.

    big picture though our set pieces in general are pretty dire, i know that. i have no clue who this team can bury a penalty. no clue who can put a "shooting" fk on frame. i know weve got miazga, brooks, long and zimmerman and cant find them in the box roughly 96.3% of the time, which is freaking ridiculous in concacaf.

    so you guys figure out the pk thing and let me know. im focusing on other things.
     
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  10. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Waiting in line for post game buffet.
    A man's gotta eat.
     
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  11. Red Card

    Red Card Member+

    Mar 3, 1999
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I got a headache from all the mentions of the "Gold Cup". As for the usmnt, they are irrelevant until they straighten out this mess. Fortunately there was a decent tennis match I could switch back and forth to.
     
  12. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm skipping next game.

    I have missed one game (1-1 tie against Honduras in 2014 Friendly, I had a class) in the last 9 years since WC2010.

    ******** Gregg, and ******** the USSF.
     
  13. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Jozy is my number one shooter of the ball as of now. I wonder if Dest is a good corner taker.
     
  14. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Until the Gulati/Cordero mafia are ripped root and branch out of USSF
     
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  15. Editor In Chimp

    Editor In Chimp Member+

    Sep 7, 2008
    I can't believe I'm writing this, but I don't think Sunil Gulati would have tolerated a year-long interim situation just to hire an incompetent boob to further light the ashes of the program on fire.

    For all his faults, Sunil understood that having a team that could actually get results in big games was important for the long-term trajectory of the program. If Sunil were in charge, he'd probably be seeking alternatives to Berhalter today.
     
  16. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    I just suffered through the first half again. Will need to take a break before watching the second. I am going to only focus on the goal for now. I know some will focus on Dest getting beat, which of course he did, but just about everyone of the 8 guys back could have done better. The whole sequence was quite disturbing and a potential sign this group will leak goals against decent competition.

    Going from left to right..
    1. Dest doesnt get his legs closed quick enough
    2. Pulisic is passively providing support, had he been more "engaged" he probably could have picked Tecatito up.
    3. Long doesnt pressure the ball, but just drops into the path of the ball. He is actually a few yards more central when the cross is hit. It doesnt appear these center back are aware that pressuring the ball is the first concept in defending.
    4. Morales drops in toward goal. Yay, he does what a 10 yo is taught to do.
    5. Zimmerman is guarding space wide of the near post when the cross his hit.
    6. Trapp watches Chicharito run right be him centrally without any communication to teammates and drops into the middle and marks space.
    7. Cannon is marking his man on the far post, but let's him get a step on him as he makes a run near post.
    8. Boyd watches Chicharito run centrally and wide attacker from higher up the pitch and starts to try to get to Chicharito way too late.

    That is just aweful team defending. The best of that play was a central midfielder dropping into the box when a cross is coming in and a right back almost marking his man.
     
  17. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    id absolutely take jozy on direct fks and pks- couldnt love him more- but i also think we need to move on from him asap.

    pomykal is someone i should have mentioned, he took most set pieces with the u20s and didnt miss horrifically with every single one so theres that. gotta get a starting spot first, though...
     
  18. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i agree with your first point, but think the conclusion to your second would be "...and the list would begin and end with bringing klinsmann back" :rolleyes:
     
  19. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One thing I didn't mention in my first post is that the guys we did have do not appear to be overachieving as much is the guys we had previously. Instead of getting angry and fighting, these guys get angry and whine at the referee. Our play used to force Mexico to lose their cool, now it's the opposite.

    We have a lost generation, do we also now have a soft generation? Herc Gomez mentioned the softness on Twitter.
     
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  20. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wrong. Not just objectively wrong, but subjectively wrong as well. His teams were far more direct and bruising than his flowery language would suggest to the casual observer, but he got more out of a shallower talent pool than GGG has ever done.

    Not even close. I'd take Jurgen now over GGG. Hell, if the old guard retired from international play, I'd take Arena over GGG, let alone someone who's a really good coach like Almeyda.
     
  21. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    :D
     
  22. yurch10

    yurch10 Member+

    Feb 13, 2004
    Guess I don't mean a great victory over a great team, but more of just the team looking great. Even the pre-GC friendlies were a chance to have a great result from my perspective (ie. just having the team playing cohesive attracting soccer).

    Besides the first two games, it seems like it's been a downward spiral.
     
  23. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Well, we now have normal, mainly academy-produced professionals.
     
  24. honest trade

    honest trade Member

    Aug 15, 2010
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Lol this has to be true rock bottom - wishing Sunil was back in charge. Can’t say I disagree though - almost anything has to be better than this. Is Berhalter really going to fire his own brother?
     
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  25. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sunil always took way too much heat here.
     
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