YNT-eligible MLS players: 2019 In-season Thread

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by Balerion, Mar 2, 2019.

  1. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Speculating here, but if I’m Real Salt Lake, I make a huge push for Tab Ramos. It’s a no-brainer

    RSL has this big, expensive academy but has had trouble integrating these players with the first team. It has a head coach vacancy. Why not push for the country's most successful YNT coach ever as US Soccer is restructuring?
     
  2. dougtee

    dougtee Member+

    Feb 7, 2007
    does tab want the old earnie job tho?
     
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  3. Smithsoccer1721

    Smithsoccer1721 Member+

    Feb 16, 2007
    Middle of the Table
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Based on completely nothing it has felt like Tab enjoys working directly with players.
     
  4. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Yeah..................he's applied for a bunch of MLS jobs.
    It seems he was one of the finalists for the FCD job. RSL is a very similar type of a job. Academy focus, similar budget, etc.
     
  5. Smithsoccer1721

    Smithsoccer1721 Member+

    Feb 16, 2007
    Middle of the Table
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wanted him for the Columbus job but seems like he wasn’t in the mix. Porter made sense for the local angle that the new ownership is/has to lean into after all the stuff Precourt pulled.
     
  6. Peter Bonetti

    Peter Bonetti Member+

    Jan 1, 2005
    1970 WC Quarterfinal
    I don’t want to give the wrong impression here, because Tab has improved dramatically during his time as an under 20 coach, but I have definitely gotten the impression that he has not been in a hurry to join the professional game. He is a hard working guy, but he seems to value the job security of a giant bureaucracy.

    Having said that, I certainly have no special knowledge about Tab’s thinking. Tab has shown the ability to evolve so who knows.
     
  7. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think he's talking about going super sayain or showing some super powers he's been hiding.
     
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  8. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #2108 bshredder, Aug 13, 2019
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2019
    I think Tab understands organizations change and there is a new group running US Soccer now and there is a new structure. His deal with US Soccer as the U-20 head coach runs through the next U-20 World Cup in 2021. He very well might be on the outside of everything - depite near 30-year connections with the Berhalters and Earnie.

    The RSL job is open and it just seems ideal on so many different levels - assuming RSL is interested in Tab.

    It's not as if Tab would be running a team in a crappy organization like Chicago or Colorado. RSL is a good team, with a good academy, and a good pipeline. They haven't been able to put it all together but that's where it seems like Tab would be a solid choice to integrate their USL and academy into the first team.

    Plus, he's already coached Saucedo, Glad, Lennon, Herrera, Ochoa.

    If you're Tab, these kind of situations don't come along every day.
     
  9. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    I think Tab has a very good reputation among youth players. If he is at RSL above mentioned pipeline will bring more kids there rather than to Europe. They should want him.
     
  10. TarHeels17

    TarHeels17 Member+

    Jan 10, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And theoretically it would help RSL recruit to their academy as well. Players would want to play under a coach that has coached what will end up being the spine of our national team.
     
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  11. TarHeels17

    TarHeels17 Member+

    Jan 10, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019/08/13/warshaw-player-development-and-what-next-era-mls-looks

    Article by Warshaw on how teams now need to develop youth players to keep up with the Atlanta’s of MLS. One quote that particularly appealed to me:

    It’s a nice idea, at least.
     
  12. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
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  13. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    It is a topic of interest for many fans of these teams that have an academy focus as part of their core business plan. A lot of these clubs have done well, even winning the SS and USOC (NYRB, FCD, etc. But when we look at who's winning the big'un, MLS Cup, that's been the big money clubs with little impact from academy players. Atlanta, Portland, Seattle when they won it, SKC when they won it, LA Galaxy of 2014, etc.

    A team like SKC has more of an academy focus now. But since they've moved in that direction, their results have gone in the wrong direction. They're likely to miss the playoffs this year.

    Right now the best team in MLS is LAFC, with zero academy players (for obvious reasons). The runaway SS winners.

    All you gotta do is read the comments section from one FCD tweet. Its a whole bunch of disgruntled FCD fans charging the Hunts with being cheap and not trying to win.

    Bigass problem #2 for teams with an academy focus: The second a young player starts really doing well in MLS, the vultures are already circling with transfers. For instance, FCD is gaining momentum with Paxton Pomykal as their key player. But everybody is now demanding that they sell him to Europe as soon as possible. Its great to keep the conveyor belt moving, and then Roberts can take over the role. But FCD isn't going to win MLS Cup if they just sell their best academy products every year.

    We see this all the time in other leagues too. Southampton in England. Man, they have an impressive list of alumni from their academy over the past decade. If they're kept everybody, they'd be awesome. But they sell them all to Liverpool...………… :)
     
  14. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Wilmer wasn't able to incorporate academy players in Houston. Not entirely his fault as I don't think they were necessarily there. Still...………….a disappointment.
    Let's see if Davy Arnaud can figure it out.
     
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  15. Kombucha

    Kombucha Member+

    Jul 1, 2016
    Club:
    --other--
    It is a delicate line to balance for clubs like FC Dallas and it is also made more challenging by the primary transfer window being in the middle of the MLS season.

    It is much easier for fans to get behind transferring out Tyler Adams or Paxton Pomykol or Aaron Long at the end of the season versus right before the playoff push at least if the team is in the playoff zone, which is typically all but 2-4 teams.

    The best MLS Fans can hope for is that MLS provides a bigger incentive to clubs selling HGP to the point that a sale can facilitate bigger replacements for instance if FCD sold Pomykol, but then could bring in two players that are high quality and still have money left over for other items.

    The fan bases like Southhampton have been conditioned over the decades and decades to be happy with staying in the top flight, not going bankrupt and pulling an upset over a top club every now and again.

    In the US a club that missed the playoffs for 8 consecutive years, but sold a lot of players to that ended up factoring for the USMNT is going to have is unhappy fan base. No way around it.
     
  16. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    #2116 butters59, Aug 14, 2019
    Last edited: Aug 14, 2019
    Cabrera was the worst ever youth coach. Zero production from all his U-17 Bradenton teams.
    The lost generation of players that are 24-28 now. Kicking Gyau and Lletget off the team for going to Europe is also him.
     
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  17. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
  18. bpet15

    bpet15 Member+

    Oct 4, 2016
    @Clint Eastwood - please don't take offense to this, but is there a connection between you and Roberts? I only ask because it seems you bring him up just about every post. It doesn't matter to me one way or another, just asking to get a better understanding on what angle you are coming from in your posts.
     
  19. Runhard

    Runhard Member+

    Barcelona
    United States
    Jul 5, 2018
    I have thought on occasion Eastwood is a coach for FCD or someone in their offices based on the propaganda campaign for FCD, but the veil of being anonymous probably allows more information to be shared than otherwise.

    Everyone on here probably has a bias in some way or the other and felt the same way about some of the Andrew Carlton supporters, thinking they must be related to him. In the end, to me, it doesn't matter and the evaluation or opinions can stand on their own.
     
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  20. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    A poster's life in these threads often depends on a mere scrap of information.

    It's like playing The Resistance.
     
  21. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The games are very interesting tonight though, especially FCD-LAG and RSL-Seattle. Should be plenty of youth eligible domestics in action with clubs surely rotating.

    Unfortunately we won't see Toye. This was a chance to take the starting spot from the inferior performing Rodriguez. He out-played him again against FCD. Was really unfortunate to not have another goal production.

    But that was petulant, not just the spitting, also pushing beforehand. Poor look for him. Then he pretended like he spit on Cannon on accident. If he keeps playing at this level it'll be hard to keep him off, but will need to have no more incidents and give a sufficient apology in person to Cannon to rebuild that bridge. Yes, chemistry does matter in a team sport.
     
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  22. WheezingUSASupport

    Dortmund
    United States
    Aug 28, 2017
    Yea Toye seemed like the up and coming guy to be a potential backup for the NT if he kept it up.

    He has the talent and tools if he can get more experience but you could tell even last year he had attitude problems. When he did get on the field he’d visibly get emotional by teammates mistakes.


    Busio starting for SKC. Feels like we’ve moved on from him a bit since we haven’t seen improvement from last season.
     
  23. Mahtzo1

    Mahtzo1 Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    In my opinion, there are some big differences in team requirements for Supporter's Shield and MLS cup. Supporter's Shield winners must be able to win despite injuries to key players, international callups etc., which means their 3-15ish players must be high quality. I think this is easier to do with homegrowns than find the top 1-2 players (due to age and time with team). An MLS cup winner, on the other hand, only has to "hang on" enough to qualify for the playoffs. Once in the playoffs, they need to be healthy enough so that they can rely on their first 11 (including one or two top dp's in the league...a Vela, Ibra, Martinez etc).

    I think you have hit on one of the primary reasons that winning the MLS cup will be a rarity for teams that build primarily through their academies and keep the conveyor belt rolling. A 20ish player is never (they say never say never) going to be better than one of the top dp's AND they will only have a short window of 1-2 years near the level needed to lead a team to MLS cup.

    I think that the formula for winning MLS cup and Supporters Shield (together) is to have one or 2 top DP's with the rest of the team build using a strong academy. The academy can provide good quality depth and a solid supporting cast which will allow the team to be a perennial playoff team (perhaps occasional SS team) and when that special academy player (Pomykal, Adams etc) comes along there will be a short window of 1-2ish years, before the European transfer, where MLS Cup is more likely.

    Last year, NYRB came close with Adams. This year, LAFC looks to have depth and a top dp...done without an academy. If they had their academy in place so that they had one or two hg players playing important roles in the team (spots 5-13ish) they could be even stronger.
     
  24. Mahtzo1

    Mahtzo1 Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    First, I want to say that I am probably interpreting this in a slightly different way than you...which means I am not really disagreeing with you per se. I am mentioning it because in a strange way, I see Toye's behavior to have some positive aspects because of what it says about his competitive spirit. (I hope this isn't interpreted to mean I am glad he spit on Cannon).

    I didn't see the game but that competitive drive that sometimes comes out as asshole behavior is not hte problem...it is a huge asset. The problem is the behavior itself. He needs to learn how to channel that energy. Look at the top players in the world. Some of them are definite assholes on the field that occasionally cross the line with their behavior. If their attitudes changed, their games might suffer as well. If their behavior changed it likely wouldn't hurt their performance.

    I
     
  25. WheezingUSASupport

    Dortmund
    United States
    Aug 28, 2017
    I like your positive spin on it.

    It’s like he’s the other side of the spectrum from Carleton.
     

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