Moving Forward From the Gold Cup

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Maximum Optimal, Jul 8, 2019.

  1. GoBigBlue88

    GoBigBlue88 Member+

    Feb 11, 2009
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I mean, IMO, a 6 is more a mentality with moldable positioning for a specific coach or system. The role is "break up the attack and link your lines in possession." Where and how you do that, I think, is flexible.
     
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  2. Maximum Optimal

    Maximum Optimal Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    Greggg will have to give it a try with Adams as a 6. As you mention there is a potential tradeoff between having a 6 who can distribute and one who can defend. It is hard to find someone really great at both. We'll just have to give Adams some games there and see how it plays out. I don't perceive that either Bradley or Trapp is vastly superior as a distributor. They may not be superior at all in that regard.
     
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  3. Mahtzo1

    Mahtzo1 Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    Truer words were seldom spoken.
     
  4. Mahtzo1

    Mahtzo1 Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    I'm a bit curious about how Pomykal would do in Bradley's spot. A central midfield of McKennie, Adams and Pomykal sound pretty interesting to me. Add in Pulisic and Boyd for a 5 man midfield in whatever configuration you determine....

    something like:
    (Altidore)

    Pulisic Boyd


    Adams McKennie


    Pomykal

    (?) Long Brooks Cannon


    McKennie!
     
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  5. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    Worth a shot and Pomykal has some defensive bite to him. I'd probably put Adams at the 6 but if you play around with those three players plus Holmes and potentially Arriola, that's the basis for a good lineup with some defensive bite and speed.

    I'd like to see Yedlin in Cannon's spot but understand why many are calling for him.
     
  6. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i dont get the argument of destroyer (adams) v distributor (bradley).

    other than averaging one decent diagonal per match what the hell are people seeing re bradley distributing anything other than backpasses and possession to opponents?

    can adams make one helpful pass and find our cbs? yeah...i think he can handle that. in addition to be being FAR superior in every category imaginable other than years and years of unearned (his first three and last two years worth of) caps.
     
  7. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i see this a lot, and im a little curious why it wouldnt be

    pomykal_________mckennie
    ________adams

    ...frankly with pomykal starting just a bit ahead of mckennie
     
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  8. Mahtzo1

    Mahtzo1 Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    for one thing, I think Adams is better at covering ground (Pomykal is good too) and I think putting Pomykal in front of the defenders gives Adams more freedom in the midfield to do what he does best.

    That being said, it may very well be true that it works better the way you suggest (or possibly a different option altogether). It is something that will have to be tried and played with to find the right combo.
     
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  9. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i think ultimately id want a hurricane of the three of them swarming all over the middle, but in terms of keeping shape i just see adams as the primary guy i want sitting on/patrolling the top of our backline when not in possession.
     
  10. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For the Olympic sure (if we qualify).

    That is probably where you will see this trio first, we will see how that works out.
     
  11. Cynical US fan

    United States
    Mar 30, 2017
    Boston
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think Pomykal-Adams-McKennie in midfield is wishful thinking. There's no indication that Berhalter will go that route, ever. Stop assuming Berhalter will change his ways. He's like JK but limits himself by choosing inadequate MLS players for the roster.
    If the friendlies in September and Canada and Cuba matches in October and November aren't FIFA dates, then expect to see an all-MLS roster, except without Pomykal.
     
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  12. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    that's who the Egg brought.
     
  13. AutoPenalti

    AutoPenalti Am I famous yet?

    Sep 26, 2011
    Coconut Creek
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #63 AutoPenalti, Jul 9, 2019
    Last edited: Jul 9, 2019
    Pomykal-Adams-McKennie will be slaughtered in half anyway.

    Adams is at his best with a dual 6, the way RB Liepzig utilize him. He can cover a hell of a lot of ground.
     
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  14. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    That's the right idea but I'd put Pomykal in McKennie's spot for starters and leave Pulisic at the 10. Then we can compare how Pom did vs. Wes. I think Pom + Puli will click 'ere long. Would be nice to be ready somewhat for nation's league which I believe is in Oct v. Canada and Cuba.

    Unfortunately, I get the feeling Pulisic and Adams will be on CL duty in the Sep window so we might have to suffer thru Pom + McKennie + Trapp. They'll probably start McKennie as an 8 under his new manager @ Schalke before trying him elsewhere.
     
  15. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Rbulls have a new manager. I think things change.
     
  16. nowherenova

    nowherenova Member+

    Jul 20, 2003
    Formerly Terminus
    Watch Bradley get selected as an overage player for Olympics...
     
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  17. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    I suggested early on that people get on board with Trapp for the beginning of the cycle but an avalanche of boos made sure we'd get Bradley at which point everybody was like wtf?

    Going forward, what about we push Earnie to get Tab Ramos to take the position of midfield coach of the USMNT as an assistant to the Egg?
     
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  18. Slowpokeking

    Slowpokeking Member

    Jul 18, 2011
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    USMNT really needs a good playmaker to control the tempo instead of just charge forward. The 2002 team was so strong because of Reyna.
     
  19. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You don't really need it if you press or break with speed. It's just a different way to play.

    Obviously there is such thing as playing too slow (maybe you don't believe so as the slowpokeking), especially for the U.S. Nobody ideally wants to break the lines and most don't always want to look backward for their reliable distributor on paper. In the subsequent WC that's what doomed the U.S. actually.

    I think Pomykal can make decisions well and pass accurately enough to serve his purpose as the 10 in a press which we should be playing. That's how we got a leg up on Mexico in the last two u-20 youth 'ships. Now that should be moved up to the senior team with a lot of the same players manning it like Pomykal, Adams, and EPB; with McKennie entering the fold.
     
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  20. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    personal projected:

    ----------------Sargent----------
    --Novakovich------------Pulisic-----
    ----------Wes---Pomykal-----
    -Lima-------Adams-----Cannon
    ----------Brooks---Long------------
    --------------Steffen-------------------

    subs/#2's - Weah, Altidore, Mueller, Morris, Boyd, Lletget, Yedlin, Zimmerman, Roldan, Horvath, Miazga, Arriola, EPB

    standbys - Wood, Canouse, Holmes, Lichaj, M. Robinson, A. Robinson, S. Johnson, Bradley, CCV

    I feel pretty good about that team getting at or above par results for a USNT. But it's going to take a little time still to integrate. Hopefully that's done at least by the end of preliminary WC qualifying. Although depending on the group, which could get tricky as last cycle it was pathetic and the team still struggled, might require the job to be done even before that. We are still behind in the process because most of several years wasted on this front.
     
  21. Marius Tresor

    Marius Tresor Member+

    Aug 1, 2014
    If you watched RB Leipzig this year, you might have seen Adams make one of the best passes of the season leading directly to a goal from a deep-lying midfield position.
     
  22. yurch10

    yurch10 Member+

    Feb 13, 2004
    These are good lineups.

    Question - has EPB been called in under Egg? I don't think he has, but I wonder why not many talk about him. He seemed to be playing pretty frequently in Holland. Granted, maybe not the best league, but he's always been one of our top young guys, so why not more interest in getting him to the team?
     
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  23. Slowpokeking

    Slowpokeking Member

    Jul 18, 2011
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Press and break require a playmaker as well, since the ball moves faster than men. And you can't do it all day, you gotta learn to change the tempo.

    I'm not saying there must be a Xavi like figure, but at least someone with the vision and passing skill like David Beckham.
     
  24. Mahtzo1

    Mahtzo1 Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    Out of curiosity, who do you think will "slaughter in half" that trio? would it be worse than a Bradley Adams McKennie trio? If not, what do you have in mind that is superior to both?
     
  25. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    just wanted to rep this hard for absolute truth. ive posted elsewhere we wont see a lineup without bradley or trapp.

    im partaking in wishful thinking in this thread, though.
     

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