WWC19 USA v THE NETHERLANDS, FINAL, pre/pbp/post

Discussion in 'USA Women: News and Analysis' started by McSkillz, Jul 3, 2019.

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Who will win WWC19' final?

Poll closed Jul 7, 2019.
  1. United States

    54 vote(s)
    87.1%
  2. The Netherlands

    8 vote(s)
    12.9%
  1. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    I thought Sauerbrunn was nails. Sure, she almost had an own goal. But, in doing so, she saved a sure goal.
     
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  2. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    Getting way OT: I've forgotten the story of how Michelle Akers went from Akers, to Akers-Stahl, to Akers. Seems like I knew at one time. But, don't now.
     
  3. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm impressed here with how gracious Rapinoe is in these videos; I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be taking any pictures with people if I was going through the airport after a long night of partying and likely little, if any, sleep.
     
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  4. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    Uh, I'm talking about on this board - the post I responded to reeked of "no criticism allowed."

    Who suggested limiting her ability to speak out, or discouraging her from doing so. Certainly not me.

    All I said was that all the players can be criticized, regardless of their politics.
     
  5. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    She got married in about 1990 and then divorced in 1994, so she was Akers-Stahl in the 1991 WWC. Also legend has it that they were married on a soccer field; I'm not sure about that part though.
     
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  6. Smallchief

    Smallchief Member+

    Oct 27, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    #706 Smallchief, Jul 8, 2019
    Last edited: Jul 8, 2019
    If I've mischaracterized your opinion, I'm sorry. But there has been a lot of criticism, some of it out of prejudice not good will, of Rapinoe on this board. Here's what she said about her experience with being semi-blackballed for her beliefs. To a lesser extent her experience is a bit like what happened to Mohammad Ali when he criticized the Vietnam War.

    "The truth is, after the 2016 Olympics, I really thought maybe they were putting ol’ Pinoe out to pasture. I thought maybe it was over.

    I had a bad ACL injury.

    Then I barely made the Olympic roster, and I wasn’t close to 100%. So I had a terrible tournament. I barely played. I was a shell of myself.

    And then before a friendly match in September, I knelt during the anthem in support of Colin Kaepernick’s message about police brutality and equality in America. The federation was not very supportive, publicly or privately. I started getting left off rosters. It was never directly connected to my kneeling. They told me, “You’re not really at the level you need to be.”

    Which was true!

    I was coming back from a big injury, and not at my best, but we weren’t in season with the NSWL. The only way I could get into shape was to play with the national team. For five months, I wasn’t rostered, and I was kind of in the wilderness. I had to play to get back into shape, but there was nowhere to play. Cool coincidence!

    So yes, I felt as though I was being blackballed a bit. Maybe that’s harsh, but it’s how I felt. It was never explicit, but how can I put this? It felt like maybe if I faded off into the sunset, that would’ve been just fine.

    Well, guess what? I wasn’t gonna fade away. Tough s***."
     
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  7. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    Again, the poster to whom I responded said that anyone, other than one person, who criticized Rapinoe's play, was doing so b/c politics. I called him/her out on it.
     
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  8. Slowpokeking

    Slowpokeking Member

    Jul 18, 2011
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    How long does it take for the USWNT to come home? This noon?
     
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  9. thegamesthatrate

    Jan 9, 2007
    Just so people don't think I dump on Rapinoe for lack of anything better to do, I seem to recall that she had a serious knee injury (and cannot recall if it was before or after '15). To have made her way back on the team notwithstanding that shows she had dedication and worked hard in rehab. That persistence merits respect.
     
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  10. imasyko

    imasyko Member+

    May 16, 2002
    Spring City, PA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No question, but she's also 30+, right?
     
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  11. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    the Jill Ellis time line to getting fired if she didn't win this gig
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  12. QuakeAttack

    QuakeAttack Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    California - Bay Area
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Congratulations to the USWNT! Great tournament and well deserved final win. By beating France, England, and Spain, they showed themselves to be a great team. The finals seemed anti-climatic as the Dutch didn't threaten the US midfield like France and England did in their games. I told my wife during the game that once the US score the first goal that it would be a blow out. I was only wrong because of poor finishing.

    Also, I want to give Ellis and the coaching staff credit for managing the team throughout the tournament. They made some key changes to strength the defense (dropping Ertz into the back line) which helped against England and France. I will admit to not being too happy against France when Ertz dropped back with 20-30 minutes left in the game!

    I thought Dunn and Mewis had a good final after struggling at times earlier in the tournament.

    The only disappointment of the tournament was the play of Morgan. Poor touches, poor decisions, and going down too often. Sure, she had her moments, but I expected more from her...
     
  13. Dfwsoccer01

    Dfwsoccer01 Member

    Jun 23, 2014
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    100% agree, it’s now time to look towards the Olympics.

    But to some of the other people on this board who have criticized my comments towards Rapinoe: think it’s funny because our natural instinct is to make excuses for people we like when they don’t perform. Rapinoe has had the luxury of having that built in excuse - “the only reason why people hate on Rapinoe is because of what she stands for”. And that....is garbage. Anyone on this board who knows anything about soccer, has played her position, know darn well the expectations of the role on a consistent level: to be fast, to be a 2 way player, to create chances, etc. 50% of the people on this board think she did enough simply by scoring, 50% of people believe she didn’t do enough and others should have been given more of an opportunity and provided specifics. This tells me, Rapinoe wasn’t being judged because of her stances, she was being judged based on her performances and the options the US had on the bench.

    Look, for all you people standing up for Rapinoe, SHE DOESN’T CARE! By being a vocal and sometimes polarizing person, she knows what she’s in for and she knows she open for criticism! So for people who say close your mouths In regards to her, that’s BS. There are some very soccer knowledgeable people on this board....some may be more harsh than others, but just like she’s entitled to her opinion, so are we.

    That said, if she’s able to play in the Olympics, great. But the world is catching up to the US in soccer. It’s time we start investing more opportunities for our youth players. Regardless of your stance on her, hopefully we can all agree there. Having a Rapinoe serve in a starting role in the Olympics will do zero good.
     
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  14. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    While I agree we need to freshen the team for the Olympics, the world has been catching up for a long time. The USWNT was never a slam dunk to win every WWC (and we've only won 1/2) and most of the teams are the usual suspects (though Japan and the Netherlands and Spain are pretty new to the top game).

    https://equalizersoccer.com/2019/07/07/the-world-is-catching-up-but-not-to-the-uswnt/
     
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  15. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Also in the security line, is that Ashlyn Harris with the boot on her foot? What happened?
     
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  16. PacmanJr_00

    PacmanJr_00 Member

    Aug 29, 2010
    Club:
    Southampton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Congratulations to the USWNT. Just win baby!
     
  17. jackdoggy

    jackdoggy Member+

    May 16, 2014
    Big D
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If she’s like the rest of us - celebration casualty.
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  18. htide

    htide Member

    Jul 28, 2007
    she was dancing on a bar last night...
     
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  19. htide

    htide Member

    Jul 28, 2007
    You are correct. I thought they were still banned...
     
  20. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    Really, the only teams that aren't new, are Norway, China, and Germany, and prolly Sweden ..... and Japan.

    Those teams have all reached a peak level of performance before.

    But, there is a big wave of Euro teams that are coming on strong. The Asian teams will likely get back in the mix.

    Concacaf and Conmebol, with their built in sexism (other than U.S. and Canada) are going to be a long time coming.

    And, I guess Africa, b/c of limited resources, will take a while. What's the furthest an African men's team has gone in the WC?
     
  21. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My Japan reference was to their sudden rise in 2011. Before that, they didn't have much of a record in the WWC and had a horrible record against the USWNT. True, England and France might be more in the come-lately crowd, but the US has always had Euro challengers for the title.
     
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  22. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  23. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    Cool. We pretty much agree on everything
     
  24. Airox

    Airox Member

    Mar 14, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Let's stir the pot! My order rankings for the 23 US players for tournament overall:
    1. Lavelle
    2. Sauerbrunn
    3. Ertz
    4. O'hara
    5. Mewis
    6. Naeher
    7. Dahlkemper
    8. Dunn
    9. Morgan
    10. Heath
    11. Rapinoe
    12. Press
    13. Lloyd
    14. Horan
    15. Krieger
    16. Sonnett
    17. Pugh
    18. Davidson
    19. Mcdonald
    20. Harris
    21. Franch
    22. Brian
    23. Long

    Comment!
     
  25. Dfwsoccer01

    Dfwsoccer01 Member

    Jun 23, 2014
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Lol as much as I can’t believe I’m saying this, Rapinoe has to be higher than 11, considering the clutch PK’s she made.

    Honestly, when I look at it this way, and I think in my head how each contributed, Morgan ends up at 11 for me.

    Considering how active Dunn got in the tournament and started shutting players down, she probably is too low.

    I’d say Mewis is too high, she just didn’t do enough for me to be considered one of the top 5 for the overall tournament.
     

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