Post-match: USA vs Mexico Gold Cup final 7/7/19

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by tomásbernal, Jul 7, 2019.

  1. harttbeat

    harttbeat Member

    Dec 29, 1998
    New York
    right we cant compare Long's value to Weah but i am saying Gold Cup aint a shady competition. Let's see if Scouts were watching .
     
  2. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    Seriously. Any impartial business plan created by the guys running the Fed would include developing the Mex National Team at the expense of the U.S. team. Take emotion out of it. They make more money that way.

    And, GB must be in on the deal "Semi-hostile"? WTF?

    I was convinced to end my boycott by the friend that I watched the WC19 final with. What a mistake. Went from a world where gamesmanship was at a minimum. VAR kept things relatively clean. To the Mexican sh*t show. Fans shouting F@g throughout the evening, and Culero (basically, butt-f*cker). Guardado grabbing a throat, Jozy getting dominance-humped.

    I won't watch another concacaf men's match, unless it has VAR. If there was VAR, Mex gets 2 reds.
     
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  3. chad

    chad Member+

    Jun 24, 1999
    Manhattan Beach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree a bit with @CMeszt , but neither I nor anyone I know went to the final -- and we are people who used to travel for qualifiers.

    It's both.
     
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  4. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #404 LouisZ, Jul 8, 2019
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    I predicted if Jozy didn't score, we probably weren't going to win. Unfortunately, that became true.
    I thought everyone played to their capabilities, nobody really "sucked". You have to expect some players to have limitations that will be exposed when playing a well-organized team like Curacao, Venezuela, and Mexico.

    In my opinion, Robinson gives you more of an offensive threat than Ream. That was a player selection error on GB.

    I thought Cannon did well for himself, he is a keeper, not sure if he is better than Yedlin or even Dest. GB got that right.

    Long was good but needs to work on his passing. To me, he is just a placeholder for Richards for the next 12 months.

    I thought Bradley played within his current abilities, he is not one to build around but GB thinks the opposite, that is a troubling thought.

    McKennie can play much better if you give him teammates that can quickly pass the ball around. His abilities would be better be used with Adams next to him.

    Puli can play inside but he easily can be contained once you know what he is capable of. I think once Pax gets integrated in front of WM and Adams, Puli will be moved to the wing where he can be free to roam the touchline

    I though Ariola played within his limits, he hustles, he tries to disturb. You can't ask anything more from him, what you saw is the best he will be. I would like to see Weah in that position because of his size and ability to go at people.

    Morris is Morris. I wish we could have seen Boyd in the second half. GB just doesn't know what he has or how to use him.

    And finally Jozy, he was good at holding the ball, He was more mobile than in past games but he is Jozy, you need to draw him a map where he needs to be, he doesn't have the Dempsey gene to know where the ball is going to be. Jozy never had a killer instinct and to me, your CF needs to have it. Sargent has it but we know what GB thinks of him.

    I've been disappointed with GB from the get-go. I hope his tenure is a short one.
     
  5. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Sargent got his first minutes of Bundesliga time at Bremen when he was put into the game very late and set a Bundesliga record by scoring on his first touch after putting himself into a nice position in front of goal. His manager said afterwards that "it wasn't luck that Sargent finds himself in these positions...…"

    Half stop. ;)
     
  6. matabala

    matabala Member+

    Sep 25, 2002
    Long had a good tournament but at 26 he isn't going to excite much interest overseas. Not saying he couldn't make the leap somewhere but it's a long road to hoe for a roster spot on, at best, a bottom dwelling first division side. More than likely he'd be looking at a second division somewhere.
     
  7. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    People are over-rating Cannon. When you watch him against Peru and Italy friendlies of last year you'll see that he is a diligent defender and has good attributes in that respect but is very sketchy going forward. I had him in my lineup for Mexico because we needed defense first and foremost in a game like this but Lima is a surgeon to Cannon's scrub going forward.

    I think a lot of the criticism of Morris comes from having to play with Cannon and Wes on the right. Pulisic has Arriola and Ream who are better offensively.
     
  8. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    I know it's been said, but it can't be said enough. Lovitz? In that situation? Berhalter Out!
     
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  9. um_chili

    um_chili Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    Losanjealous
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One thing that I did not like about GGG's presser was how readily he conceded that Mexico were better on the day. First, I think we were the better team in the first half, and that a fairer result even after they got ahead of us in the second would have been 1-1. But second, even if you do think Mex outplayed your team, there's no reason to say that outright. You're setting an image and a leadership role for your team, there's nothing gained by being diffident and intellectually honest in that setting.

    And while I think people overrate image generally, GGG does not inspire--well, anything--as a coach. The sweaters and the lack of apparent confidence and the overall demeanor of worried uncertainty do not strike me as qualities that are going to fire up a team. Internal locker room dynamics are always opaque, and being "fiery" does not mean you're good at coaching (e.g., Maradona/Argentina 2010), so I hope I'm wrong about this.
     
  10. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
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  11. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Farewell Sweet Prince
    Jan 9, 2004
    Gentrification's Apex.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    I'll say this though, he is extremely animated *during* the game. I'm kind of surprised he doesn't get a warning for wandering out of the technical area.
     
  12. Reccossu

    Reccossu Member+

    Jan 31, 2005
    Birmingham
    Mark me down for whiny on this one I guess. It's not like supporting the Steelers and moving to Baltimore to me. I don't like it when anyone is yelling slurs at the keeper, but I don't apologize for "whining" about it when what I imagine are mostly Americans are yelling it at the American keeper. Just seems wrong to me.
     
  13. the5timechamp

    the5timechamp Member+

    Nov 3, 2012
    ... the next roster selection is what im really interested in... there are folks in the roster who definitely need to be replaced.. the question is will they be called in and will the coach test the chemistry of said players with the “A” swuad..
     
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  14. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Read what you just wrote. Cannon, in his first season of starting as a professional was a "diligent defender" with "good attributes" but was "sketchy going forward" against … PERU AND ITALY! (he is now in his 2nd season of starting) While Cannon was performing against the soon to be Copa America finalists and freaking Italy(!!!!), who exactly has Lima been good against? I'll be waiting for you to point me to the powerhouse team that Lima looked even average against. For goodness' sake, we were waxed by Venezuela 3-0 with Lima starting at right back … and he was horrid. Against Curacao in the quarters of the Gold Cup, he was overmatched. You couldn't be more wrong about Cannon. I just hope as you continue to be proven wrong about him, you admit it rather than dig your heels in as you have tended to do with other players you missed the mark on.
     
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  15. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    I think the thing that amazes me most about BS is how vicious people can get when I compliment one of their favorite players.
     
  16. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Which Robinson? I'm guessing you mean Antonee and not Miles.

    Antonee's defense has been pretty awful with the Nats. But he's young, maybe he has improved.
     
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  17. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 4, 2017
    Been watching this team for a long time. We usually have the same problem. We change coaches, we change players, but still we are outnumbered in midfield. Eventually, 3 v 2 or 4 v 2, they find a way to dominate our outnumbered midfield. After the game, people will say this midfielder played poorly or that one or all of them. But what can you do 2 v 4? You can hit long balls and hope. That worked for awhile.

    Tata made simple adjustments. Gregg did nothing or couldn't think of anything. That is worrying as we were told we were hiring a tactician. Mexico did what the vaunted coaches of Curacao and Jamaica did, they just had better players to execute it.

    From the Panama game on, our defense has been a problem. The 4-4-2 that we have been using doesn't work. It didn't work against Chile in March, it didn't work against Venezuela, it looked terrible against Curacao. I'm more worried about Gregg than before the tournament. He persists with worse players, he persists with tactics that don't work, and he doesn't make subs or in game adjustments to increase offense.

    I think you could play Pulisic centrally and you can play Bradley against certain teams. But, we have seen in 2017 and now, the two of them together in midfield is too soft.

    The only thing that can give hope is Adams.
     
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  18. skim172

    skim172 Member+

    Feb 20, 2013
    Goddammit, our USMNT journalist corps are just the damn cheer squad, aren't they? Even last night, Fernando Fiore was the only one who was willing to express negativity and disappointment in the face of unrelenting apologism from the Fox Soccer crew.
     
  19. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    I thought his presser was great as far as it went and that wasn't all that far since he gave his summary of what went wrong and went home before we had the chance to fly a journalist in from Europe to ask a real question.

    But I don't think it would have made much sense to fry the Egg in this case. He pretty much said that our midfield couldn't control the game which meant a lot of Bundesliga "lung busting" and chasing which left the team out of energy. He didn't say "midfield" but it was easy to read between the lines.
     
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  20. JohhnyCaps

    JohhnyCaps Member

    Jul 20, 2007
    NY
    Club:
    Sunderland AFC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What is your reason for such a statement?
     
  21. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What I wrote was "vicious"? You challenged my position by critiquing games that Cannon played in. I challenged you back by pointing out that Lima has played WORSE against WORSE competition than Cannon has, in his games. Rather than argue against that point, you have instead played the victim here … and you have done so because the facts are not in your favor. If you believe they are, let's do it. Show me the games at the level of Peru and Italy that Lima has played well in. Hint: There are none. Cannon has become a favorite of some now because he has shown himself to be worthy of starter consideration … not because they like his smile.
     
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  22. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Long is Cameron's age when he moved over. That certainly worked out well for Stoke. A similar level club in the EPL who want to avoid the drop and need defensive fortification midseason makes sense. I think Aaron will qualify for the WP now. The U.S. hasn't played many competitive matches the last couple of years, he played all but one GC game, and they've got Nations' League coming up before the winter window.

    And I don't think he NEEDS the move to develop. He's already good and he's an ok passer but the tactic was to bypass Mexico's pressure. I'd want it for him from a career perspective to get the experience and riches. Plus if he doesn't play at higher levels for long enough he may lose motivation. Beslers are more exceptions than rules.
     
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  23. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's fair. I still think they're each a few years off. It's not about talent, but more guile and skill-set.
     
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  24. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    And you can't pin all your hopes on one player. Plus, I think what happens in the scheme of things is that Adams makes a lot of bad players look better than what they actually are and we go into the cycle dragging a lot deadweight that gets punished and drowns at just the wrong time. Think how many games Adams has played for us...……...
     
  25. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    So Cannon is good because Lima is bad? In other words, Cannon can get forward like a pro because Lima is bad. You're smarter than that.
     

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