2019-2020 UEFA Referee Discussion [Rs]

I don't believe that, outside MLS, there are OFRs on OSP. It's a factual matter and the VAR reports the facts to the R.

You're losing the three dimensional aspect here. Look at the line going down from each player, which shows where the most advanced body part that matters is. That's why the red line is where it is--onside behind the blue line. It's the angle/perspective that makes it look like he is ahead of the defender.

 

Group C

England - Romania: EKBERG (SWE) [VARs: Pinheiro, Godinho (POR)]
France - Croatia: GOZUBUYUK (NED) [VARs: Kamphuis, Nijhuis (NED)]

 

It's similar to the ARG v SCO one yesterday. The Scotland player got the ball, bounced it aside (though not as forcefully as this one), opponent fell over.

"Clear" penalty.

 

I hope it's alright to put this here. In Spain Deportivo de la La Coruña and Mallorca are playing a two-match playoff to determine the final promotion from second division to first division. The first match was today in La Coruña, Deportivo in blue and white and Mallorca in red and black. The referee was Trujillo Suárez.

A scary moment in the 40th minute. Video here, starting around 0:25, of Mallorca #6's challenge to Deportivo #4. I'm pretty sure the referee signaled advantage with his left arm. In any event, he allowed the Deportivo attack to continue, whistled to stop play when Mallorca gained possession in its defensive third, and then sprinted back up field to the injured player. By the time the camera panned back to midfield, Deportivo's bench personnel were already on the field tending to #4. I presume the fourth official advised him over comms that the injury was serious and that Mallorca #6's challenge merited a red card. Play restarted with a dropped ball.

Here's another video of the incident:

For other reasons, Deportivo's second goal may merit attention. It's at the link above, and more angles below. No goal-line technology or VAR in Spanish second division.

 

Group A

Spain - Poland: MADDEN (SCO) [VARs: Kamphuis, Nijhuis (NED)]
Belgium - Italy: JOVANOVIC (SRB) [VARs: Dingert, Stieler (GER)]

 

Group B

Denmark - Serbia: KULBAKOV (BLR) [VARs: Guida, Fabbri (ITA)]
Austria - Germany: TREIMANIS (LVA) [VARs: Attwell, Tierney (ENG)]

 

Group C

France - Romania: KABAKOV (BGR) [VARs: de Burgos, Estrada Fernandez (ESP)]
England - Croatia: GRINFELD (ISR) [VARs: Pinheiro, Godinho (POR)]

 

So Red #17 interferes with an opponent on the shot? Is that how they get the offside infraction?

 

Unfortunately the video isn't clear enough to be sure but it looks like that the white player touches the ball again after the touch by the red player. If that's correct then I have no issues with the PK.

 

Semifinals

Germany - Romania: GRINFELD (ISR) [VARs: Guida, Fabbri (ITA), Observer: Rosetti (ITA)]
Spain - France: KABAKOV (BGR) [VARs: Pinheiro, Godinho (POR), Observer: Cortez Batista (POR)]

 

So... No discussion about this call? https://streamja.com/2oy6
Have to say that I was a bit surprised to see it given considering history/precedence (Neuer at the 2014 WC for one) but maybe it being youth football makes a difference.

 

According to the UEFA site it was given by the ref as a PK + caution and then VAR checked it and left it alone.

I'm torn. Partly I like the PK as the knee is very much out (whereas Neuer made contact with the thigh/hip) and keepers need to be forced to take a bit more care than they historically have expected to do.

But I also think that the attacker is moving into the situation a lot more than the keeper is and that without having any idea about where the keeper (or anyone else) is and that means that he takes out the keeper in a big way. And he's nowhere near challenging for the ball, he doesn't even try.

In the end I think I want it to be called as a PK but I don't think there really is precedence to do so and as a one off decision I'm not sure I like it. But yea I'm torn.

 

And the keeper got the ball, while the defender had no chance at the ball.

As was discussed on the prior debate, the knee coming up is a natural part of jumping off one leg—just like a basketball layup. This does seem pronounced, however, and I don’t have a problem sending the message to keepers that regardless of how they naturally jump, they have an obligation to control the knee when jumping at head height. But, IMHO (and perhaps biased as a former GK), that needs to be announced/distributed as a policy (perhaps it has been), and doesn’t work as one-offs by individual refs. The goal is to stop the behavior, not to create PKs.

 

I agree with everything except the highlighted part. He might not have gone for the ball but even with a knee to the head he still sent the keeper tumbling through the air. I don't faul't him for not going for the ball, I fault him for his part in creating a collision in a situation where he couldn't possibly challenge for the ball.