Post-match: USA vs. Guyana, June 18, 2019 - Gold Cup

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by schrutebuck, Jun 18, 2019.

  1. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    Agreed - they're comparable.

    You continue to defend each individual choice but fail to acknowledge that there's a pattern here. Furthermore, you make up conjecture about players not wanting to play for the USMNT without any basis in fact.
     
  2. OfficeSpace

    OfficeSpace Red Card

    United States
    Jun 8, 2019
    You perfectly play the role of a person who makes claims without any evidence.

    I just think you're incompetent and don't know how to do it but you so badly want to fit in with the mob that you say it anyway.
     
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  3. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    nah green has been terrible a number of times and arguing less terrible isn't a conversation. is green>mihailovic...maybe but is break shea>freddy adu...does it matter? the usmnt needs to be looking for another player because both of them are terrible and terrible isn't going to help the team.

    green's 4 goals and 3 assists...lol wow quite a season really. amazing how quick he went from a goal scoring/creating cam to a 7 total goals in 30 matches on a terrible team and playing against a handful of terrible teams.

    again julian green isn't the hero you are looking for his results have proven it. playing poorly in any league doesn't get you any credit.
     
  4. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is shaping up to be a repeat of Gold Cup 2015 then we had:
    WC and lock first XI Cameron and Jones out injured, Besler out over fitness concerns. Howard on sabbatical.
    Lock starter Bedoya missed last month of club with illness. Fitness likely not at 100%
    Jozy returning from Hamstring. Fitness << 100%
    Williams out injured, Morris out injured, Wood out to deal with club situation.

    We started a young CB pair (Brooks and Alvarado), Bradley could not control the midfield without JJ, and AJ did not step up in Jozy's absence.

    The result, eliminated in SF by Jamaica who scored on 2 fluky set pieces! Lets hope history does not repeat.
     
  5. OfficeSpace

    OfficeSpace Red Card

    United States
    Jun 8, 2019
    I'm always amused by people who demand tough questions in sports media. They act like this is the government beat in Washington.

    It's more likely that Gregg has all of these answers since his full-time job is to coach the team. He has probably talked to everybody in the top, say, 50-75 players and knows their willingness and availability in the near term.
     
  6. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    the more interesting Germans to me are the Tillmans, Toljan, then the youth age players, Sargent, Soto, Mendez, etc. people with some promise and plenty of rubber left on their tires. maybe morales although i am skeptical. but are we really going to go around and around on 31 y/o inconsistent FJ, 29 y/o half-committed Chandler, etc.?

    part of it is I think their patch-quality would be overrated and part of it is a short term fix just punts the issue deeper into harsher parts of the cycle.
     
  7. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    I've asked this from others as well but no response came: despite many posters saying this, what evidence is there for this other than Chandler's initial reticence to commit to the US over Germany in 2012(!)? That's a very different situation than today.
     
  8. UncagedGorilla

    Barcelona
    Sep 22, 2009
    East Bay, CA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    Long and Miles Robinson would be my two picks to play outside back. Remember Besler played left back a few times for us and wasn't bad there.

    I don't really like wing backs with our pool. Don't think we have a very good pool for it. For me, guys like Arriola fit the mold of a good wing back and we really don't have many like him. Yedlin never seems to play all that well in the attack and you count on wing backs for a lot of your width so it sorta alienates one of our best 5-6 players.
     
  9. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Nagbe has a lot of skill (for an American). He doesn't have really any production. It's a tough thing to process, but while I wouldn't be furious if he made a roster, he's doesn't bring anything substantial to the table.

    There's just a lot of handwringing about decisions in the part of the player pool where, frankly, it doesn't matter.

    Green may or may not be better than Mihailovic, but neither is good enough, period.

    I am frustrated Zardes is here over Sargent, but honestly, that's most of what I can worked up about for this roster.
     
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  10. OfficeSpace

    OfficeSpace Red Card

    United States
    Jun 8, 2019
    Aren't you the same guy who claimed this about Timmy Chandler until I embarrassed you with the facts and exposed your lack of knowledge?
     
  11. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I think Long could play the Tim Ream position better than Ream. But I don't think that's what you are asking.

    Every time I've seen McKennie wide it's been a struggle, but he's talented enough.
     
  12. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I don't have any backing on Green, but it's not an uncommon practice to fill out the margins of a camp based primarily on location.

    I get the German-American thing is "your thing" but I wasn't implying a lack of commitment on Green's part so much as "Are we going to fly a dude in from Germany to be our fourth string CAM when we can get a younger, promising CAM who has a three hour flight."

    Like when they called in Jackson Yueill because he was in town.
     
  13. UncagedGorilla

    Barcelona
    Sep 22, 2009
    East Bay, CA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    That's also something I would like to see as long as we're working within the constraints of Egg's system. Long won't get absolutely blown by against decent wingers either. If we're going to play three center backs, let's at least get our best ones present out there.
     
  14. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    wait so now you are at just call in the same guys all the time surely after five years with little to show for it green would be dropped at this point, right?

    still calling in zardes he was pretty good in copa then jk dropped him when he struggled with the galaxy but you would've jumped on the zardes bandwagon?

    makes no sense.
     
  15. OfficeSpace

    OfficeSpace Red Card

    United States
    Jun 8, 2019
    This is a lie.

    I posted three articles (I think) about this very topic.

    So after saying that there was "no evidence!" you now say there's "no evidence!" except the evidence that I provided.

    It's OK to admit that you didn't know anything about Timmy Chandler's situation.
     
  16. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    Lol. I'm still waiting for you to come up with anything since 2012 when you quoted that he wasn't ready to commit to the USMNT. It could exist but you have yet to show it.

    What's embarrassing is that you called all Asian soccer players "slapdicks" in your rush to defend MLS.
     
  17. GoBigBlue88

    GoBigBlue88 Member+

    Feb 11, 2009
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Some of this MLS vs International debate gets tiring. It's a little of Column A, a little of Column B, honestly.

    So I would just suggest we should moreso be debating what roles Berhalter puts guys in, vs call-ups themselves (although obviously Zardes/Morris over Sargent is frustrating).

    I don't see MLS favoritism in the call-ups so much as the roles guys like Trapp, Zardes are put into. It's one thing to scrutinize a C- over a D+ quality player being selected to roster. It's another to have so much intentional design around comfort players vs quality players.

    (Of course, the ultimate irony I'm sure GGG would appreciate if he was ever sadomasochistic enough to read this board is: his ideal system can only possibly function when a certain Bundesliga starter is healthy.)
     
  18. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    here's what you provided.

    I subsequently asked for anything after he joined the USMNT as these were while he thought he had a choice between Germany and the USMNT (LOL). Do you have anything else?
     
  19. OfficeSpace

    OfficeSpace Red Card

    United States
    Jun 8, 2019
    Again, this is a lie.

    One of the articles was from 2013 and it summed up his entire history of flakiness.

    So it covered the entire period from 2011 to 2013.

    Then it reported that Klinsmann, the GERMAN who loved dual nationals, was tired of his flakiness and was ready to move on.

    Then we have his history of pulling out of camps with "exhaustion" and injury.

    So it's not unreasonable to people who know what they're talking about to assert this with Chandler: he's not fully committed.
     
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  20. OfficeSpace

    OfficeSpace Red Card

    United States
    Jun 8, 2019
    Another lie.

    I said the Asian Confederation is made up some slapdicks and it was to defend CONCACAF.

    You're on a roll.
     
  21. OfficeSpace

    OfficeSpace Red Card

    United States
    Jun 8, 2019
    You didn't even know about the initial hesitation.

    You just keep rolling back your statements. Soon you'll be agreeing with us.
     
  22. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    GoBigBlue88,

    The challenge is that they're all the same preferences. Now, could it be that he doesn't have an MLS bias but has a recency bias and that explains Bradley/Trapp over Adams, and a roster with 18/25 MLS players?

    Either way, it's making our team worse.
     
  23. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Like it or not playing out the back and slow possession is now the norm in soccer. Every single team even the minnows now do it, many better than us. Review our L-0-1 to Jamaica and every single GC match that I have seen this year.

    It is all short pass from GK to CBs, little tika-taka triangles in your own half. The big difference is that the better teams can suddenly transition into fast 1-touch combinations leading to a transition attack.

    We are missing that consistent, fast, touch-touch-touch, disorganize-defense, score sequences under GB.
     
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  24. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    Would it make you feel better if I said it was from 2012 and February 2013 (before he committed)?

    Again, do you have articles supporting your position after he committed to the USMNT six years ago?
     
  25. GiallorossiYank

    GiallorossiYank Member+

    Jan 20, 2011
    NJ/Roma/Napoli
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If Djorde gets a call, why doesn't Green?
     

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