Too many snowflakes. If people don't want scores to be run up then don't use goal difference as a factor in the group stage tie-breakers and don't expand the tournament to have non-competitive teams in the tournament in the first place. I don't advocate for any of that but I am sure some of the people that wanted an expanded tournament and such tie-breakers are the ones that are outraged. Also, most soccer players only score a small amount of goals in their lifetime for their respective national team, so how can we not expect them to be excited on the biggest stage when they do score?
I really have no idea what she was doing. But that’s just Rapinoe. She is a bit weird (OK more than a bit) but probably the person on this team with the strongest fire.
Exactly! And for women soccer players, that's one of the few venues they get to shine on the world stage. It's not like Alex Morgan will *ever* get the chance to play a club game worthy of her level, like a Champion's League final, broadcast worldwide. They are at the World Cup, and it's bizarre to me in the extreme, the number of people wanting to police the emotions of women who are accomplishing things only a handful of women have or will in their lifetimes. And even those handful of women do not get to experience this very often.
Because it's Germany. And many of their players play or have played in the Bundesliga. On the other hand, they went full aggro on us when we dared to hold them to 0:0 for most of the game in '94...
Celebrations are always in context. If Rapinoe scores a goal, in the quarters, down 4-0, in stoppage time and she celebrates like that, is that cool? With the bench emptying and everyone jumping around even as you are about to be eliminated in the worst finish ever? Just a hypothetical to illustrate that there is always context to a celebration. We rightly make fun of the guy that does a touchdown dance down 36-0 with :40 seconds left. On the flip side of those examples is wildly celebrating the ninth goal scored against a hapless opponent. For a player in her what, fourth World Cup? Did she celebrate her assist to Abby against Brazil that wildly We are lucky Thailand was so meek and one of their players didn't take their studs to Rapinoe's knee! People are too defensive. It was a bad look. This team is bad. They are ruthless. They will take a yellow to stop a counter now hopefully. They will do anything to win and win badly. That is how they are playing this tournament. Don't excuse their poor sportsmanship, they meant it.
The '99ers still talk to this day about the Norway "Train Dance" in 1994. They felt that team choreographed celebration was disrespectful to them. Hard to then turn around and excuse Morgan's choreographed dance with the bench after the 12th goal, isn't it?
This is so wrong and ridiculous ..... If the men celebrated goals 10, 11, 12, 13 against an opponent as hapless a Thailand the way the ladies did, they'd be laughed out of the game. Do you know any actual fans of men's soccer? The thing that hasn't been said enough is our women were able to celebrate like that because the Thai's were sooooooo passive. If they'd celebrated like that against, say, Canada, someone would have come out with a broken leg. Can you imagine Melissa Tancredi, or any of the Canadians of her era not physically retaliating for that crap? Btw, German player scored the game winner today. Group hug and the ball was back in play in 80 seconds. No running pirouette across the field, no choreographed celebration at the bench. 80 seconds is how long it took from goal to kickoff.
This is the second most lame red herring in the discussion. No one is complaining about the way Pugh, Mewis, Lavelle or Horan celebrated. Morgan, Rapinoe, and Lloyd, otoh.
Sports in general have had a significant increase in what is considered acceptable celebration with the current generation. Even the NFL has relaxed its celebration rules in acknowledgment of this fact. People who don't understand that, don't watch a whole bunch of sports...
Title 9, and thank goodness for it. How many players in the WWC play, or have played, for a U.S. college? The funny thing is now that the club teams in big men's soccer powers are getting into women's soccer, I'm guessing the era of US Women's domination is going to go away .... fast. Look at Italy, they came out of nowhere. When Julie Foudy & crew refused to accept MLS's help with the first women's league in the U.S., she probably sealed the US Women's fate to be also-rans, over the long haul. MLS/SUM is rolling in money. But, nope. You think teams like the Seattle Reign and Houston Dash will be able to compete with Lyon, Juventus, Man City, Barca in player development? If you do, Julie has a league to sell you.
Again, no one is complaining about Pugh, Mewis, Horan. This is Rapinoe's 3rd world cup. She's contributed to *huge* goals for us.
I love this recurring theme of "they're lucky someone didn't violently attack them for celebrating" as if that is perfectly proportionate to - and I will emphasize this again - being happy about scoring goals in the World Cup. Just imagine the other way round. An opposing player maliciously performs a violent tackle, and afterward, the message boards: "Horrible! They're lucky the other team didn't retaliate by celebrating excessively at them!"
As someone who's mostly watched her in past World Cups where she would mostly try to use her speed to run behind the defense, I quite enjoyed her more sophisticated come back to the ball and lay off, or turn and shoot game.
That's certainly their position. Pino today "If anyone wants to come at me about our role as the ambassadors of the Women's game, they can come at me." Her ego is getting kinda outa control. She's going to be in studio tomorrow "prepare the Queen's chair for me. HAO, I'm taking your spot." I know, I know, she's just joking around. To flip the script, if a USMNT player said "prepare the King's chair for me. Lexi I'm taking your spot" I don't think it would go down so well.
That's a gross false equivalence, and you know it. I'm sure Rose was more happy than Pino about scoring, and she didn't pirouette across the field to the bench, lay in front of the team and do some weird, laying down, stanky leg. I'm sure the woman who scored for Germany today was as happy as Pino. She had a group hug and the ball was back in play in *80 seconds*
No. I reject that premise. Good for them. I'm not taking issue with how they celebrate either. I'm taking the general line here that I'm not policing how people celebrating express their emotions about that. As long as they are not doing some mocking/insulting/racist type of celebration I'm never gonna tell a woman playing in the World Cup: "You're celebrating wrong. You shouldn't be showing your emotions that way."
Well, plenty of people around the world are. And, there are plenty of women saying it. Have you seen the Canadian commentators talking about it? The former CWNT players? And, it is a false equivalence. A silly one. No one is telling them not to be happy. No offense, but that's just a dumb thing to say.
Counterpoint by a guy Greg Cote, who's mostly a mainstream sports personality and writer, but who is actually been following soccer for a very long time: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/mls/article231389203.html
Yeah. And plenty of people, including me, are arguing against them. I never said someone was telling them not to be happy. In the post you are quoting I was talking about the equivalence that was being implied between acts of violent retribution and them "being happy". Yes, in that context I should have said "how they express their happiness". Either way, that post was about the violence people keep implying here with talk about their luck in avoiding "retribution". If you're gonna quote that post, then please address *that*.
"Maybe that explains why the complaining about the Americans scoring or celebrating too much has not come from the Thai squad."