Emerson Hyndman at Atlanta United (on loan from Bournemouth)

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  1. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    In short, you don't want to be the "free of charge" guy in a team where everybody else coming from outside did cost $10m+. You have very little chance to be taken seriously.

    It's a better move to go to a smaller club with a few other freebies and cheaper guys, and show what you got with them. Otherwise you'll be at best a cheap loanee in a club that is not interested in developing you, or at worst reserve fodder.
     
  2. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    I'm less sanguine about predicting who will dominate where, but the list of players who did not excel in the EPL but still did well in the MLS is fairly long, including folks like Edu, Bradley, Shea, Feilhaber, Altidore, Bradley Wright-Phillips, Kirovski, etc. etc. I don't know that Emo is physical/productive enough to "dominate" but I'd imagine at the right team he could contribute. I also think he's unlikely to go to MLS next in any event, unless he thinks it's his best ticket to USMNT play and he thinks USMNT is his best ticket to a stronger league. My sense is he still feels he can play at the top level.
     
  3. wixson7

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    May 12, 2009
    boulder
  4. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    As they say, "looked a bit lost," which is exactly what you'd expect from a guy with no play time with the team playing a connecting CM/AM position. But they can also see there's a player there.

    Hyndman could have developed in a place like Denmark and now would be ready for the Dutch league. Instead he's got 54 games in 5 years and is probably going to end up in the Scottish Premier (outside the OF) or in the Championship bottom half.

    With all those years wasted, he's a Motherwell/Reading type of player now.
     
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  5. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    So you're saying he is likely to end up like Lacuna, Hector, Beerens or Tshibola in a few years? Certainly a possible, and not at all a completely terrible, list of career trajectories... (and the idea that a Motherwell type player = a Reading-type players is bonkers. Motherwell-type players dream of - and rarely, but sometimes get, transfers to Reading. Reading-type players dream of - and rarely but sometimes get - transfers to the EPL.)
     
  6. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Reading is junk now. Their sugar daddy (Dai Yongge) is half broke, so they're likely to remain junk.
     
  7. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    I dont see him coming to MLS and dont think he should. I missed the game and havent been able to find a replay yet, but not surprised he had minimal impact after not playing for 4+ months.

    Dominate probably wouldn't be the right word, but also dont think any American midfielders dominate in the league. I'd argue that he would do more than contribute. I'd take whatever words are used for Roldan, Trapp, Llegett, Delgado, Trapp, etc and go a level or two above that. For all those worrying about EH not developing as a player, not sure what improvement the other guys have had over the last two years.

    Llegett is probably the simplest comparison as he was never able to break into West Ham and tore up MLS in first bunches of games. EH out played Trapp with u23s almost 4 years ago... while playing out wide and was able to handle the physical play of the Colombians. He often played a similar role at Fulham where he sat deep and distributed. EH was the captain, leader, and main outlet for the u20s while Delgado was a weak link and Roldan was overlooked.

    Hyndman definitely has flaws in his game but still one of the best American midfielders we have. Hopefully he gets a run out these next few games to show what he can do. I've always guessed that he will be moving on this off season or extending his contract.
     
  8. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not sure he'd dominate but he's first XI level for a few teams.

    Current young crop of hyped MLSers includes

    Mihailovic: 1 goal / 0 assists in 8 games
    Aaronson: 1 goal / 0 assists in 7 games
    Pomykal: 2 goals / 1 assist in 9 games

    Hyndman at 20/21 for Rangers: 4 goals / 4 assists in 17 games

    I like all the above prospects btw. But the above are largely named among the best American prospects in MLS and they're regular starters and that's their current output.

    Breaking in at such a high level is simply an entirely different animal.

    Anyway, with his passport I'd suggest the continent. Perhaps Ligue 1.
     
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  9. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hyndman is now 23 years old, whereas the MLS guys are all 18-20 years old.

    The above leaves out Hyndman's 15 appearances at Hibernian with just 1 goal, so a total of 5 goals and 4 assists in 32 games in the SPL at an older age on average than the listed players above.

    Hyndman couldn't make much of an impact in the SPL so I doubt he's Ligue 1 quality.
     
  10. wrench

    wrench Member+

    May 12, 2007
    NYC
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    The guy's loans have come through at the very end of the window and he hasn't played consecutive seasons with either loan team. Yet, he starts and scores. If he had time to train before the season and really became part of a team, any team, it may be a different story. B'mouth may be a reach as they have guys in front of him and the level and all that, I understand. He could get pt at a different level if he was a member of that team. Until then, get that money.
     
  11. Jamooky

    Jamooky Member+

    Mar 24, 2006
    Cleveland, OH USA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Young talent doesn't always pan out - it happens.
     
  12. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    I clarified what I meant in another post.

    I havent seen aaronson, but like the other two. Milhailovic turns 21 later this year, so the second half of the season he will be a similar age to EH when he was at Rangers. I'd say EH was ahead at that age, but no idea how Milhailovic will develop or really where EH is at today. Pomykal has a lot of potential. I'd like to see him continue to develop, take on even bigger role next season, and then make a move abroad.

    I was a fan of this move, but it obviously hasnt been great. In retrospect, going to Dortmund would a much better choice. I dont watch a lot of ligue 1, but have the impression that the athletiscm is quite high. If he could find a bundesliga team to give him a run out, that might be a good way to raise his level.
     
  13. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    He made quite the impact the first go round. The second time wasnt successful, but the team style was a horrible fit.

    League comparison and using the transitive property is a pretty poor way to figure out the quality of a player. If he found a role where they tried to maximize his strengths and cover his weaknesses, he could likely play at a pretty high level. He looked pretty close to looking like he belonged at Bournemouth in preseason. Unfortunately, pretty close isnt good enough. A few good showings down the stretch could do wonders for him.
     
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  14. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I watched many of his games. He was OK at Rangers; poor at Hibs. I personally don't see him translating to a higher level, given his athletic limitations. But I hope I'm wrong.
     
  15. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    This is EH's "resume" to date (approx)
    Semi-regular Fulham/regular Fulham Us - 28+ apps in all Sr. Fulham comps (2 seasons, including missing 1/2 season to injury)
    Regular Starter Rangers - 18 apps in all comps (1/2 season)
    Regular Starter Hibs - 19+ apps in all comps (1/2 season)
    Occasional bench Bournemouth - something like 8 apps in all B'mouth comps.
    He is now 23.
    Not terrible stats, but it is time for him to establish himself on a team and be part of the day in/day out to see what level he regularly contribute at.
     
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  16. DirectK

    DirectK Member

    United States
    Jun 27, 2018
    Nothing is dissuading me from my theory that the thing Emo cares about the most is being owned by a Premier League club and while he's fine with going out on loans when it finally becomes obvious he's not going to get minutes, he's equally happy to train and get paid a lot to be able to eventually tell his grandkids "I played in the Premier League."

    My guess is that these garbage minutes reduce the odds that he will willingly leave Bournemouth to approximately 0%.

    We're all annoyed that he's not approaching his career in the way that gives him the best chance to be a star for USMNT, but... that's our problem, not his.
     
  17. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    The problem is that the rest of us can't here the voices in your head.
     
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  18. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    I can't tell you the number of times I've stalled out my career in the hopes I could some day tell my not-yet-existent grandchildren stories of things they are very likely not going to give a rat's bum about if they even ever exist.
     
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  19. GiallorossiYank

    GiallorossiYank Member+

    Jan 20, 2011
    NJ/Roma/Napoli
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He’s not good enough to play in the Prem. Either is LDT. Both should have gone elsewhere a long time ago. I give em credit for trying, but American agents really stink. Too many times our players get trapped in crap situations where they rot for 2-3 years
     
  20. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    who are they signed with? hyndman seems to be with stellar (a uk company) and I cant find de la torre's agency. are you sure they have american agents?

    both have EU passports and that opens a lot of doors.

    i agree that american players seem to get shafted/ramrodded/ill-advised often...but not sure why. i dont like the EPL for american players generally.....and wish these young players would not go to england...but the money keeps em coming.....
     
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  21. GiallorossiYank

    GiallorossiYank Member+

    Jan 20, 2011
    NJ/Roma/Napoli
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Honestly, that's my bad. I did no research lol. Hand up. But yeah, I just feel like too many American's get stuck with almost no urgency to get out of sitting on the bench somewhere, or be with the reserves. Or get loaned, and do it all again. Matt Miazga should be permanent somewhere else IMO.
     
  22. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #5372 adam tash, May 1, 2019
    Last edited: May 1, 2019
    i'm with you on your main point...i dont think it is a lack of urgency per se (although that surely is the case for some)...i think it is just ignorance and the fear of rocking the boat and getting blackballed or what have you...idk but for whatever reason american players seem to get bad advice ON THE REG in europe...and make bad moves on the reg....i really don't know what it is...agents surely have a lot to do with it.

    from michael bradley (aston villa) jozy (sunderland) shea (fulham) EJ (fulham) feilhaber (derby) agudelo (stoke) hyndman (bournemouth) miagzga (chelsea - fate undecided still) EPB, steffen (man city - still undecided) lletget (west ham) yedlin (tottenham - worked out but just barely - to newcastle)...im sure there are others i cant think of at the moment

    I think MLS fanices itself after the EPL ...it wants to be the next EPL...i mean naming the USL after the lower-level leagues in england...calling all of its clubs city and united lol....

    for whatever reason...americans have their eyes set on the EPL...to often disastrous results....its a meatgrinder....they see dollar signs i guess....

    idk....i think it agents most likely pushing for it....getting them to the highest paying league and they get more money too...their equation is simple: highest paying = best ...(which can be true in some cases) but is often not what is in the interests of the player (especially those still developing) from an on-field perspective....and often in the long run not in a career perspective either...although the initial salary might be good.

    i really wish that the american players going to europe would get over their fascination with the EPL and only go there if there is a huge transfer fee involved...then the club has a vested interest and even if it doesnt work the player will still end up somewhere good. otherwise, England is one of the last countries I want to see americans in as far as europe goes.....the UK's track record of nurturing american talent is craptastic at best.
     
  23. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    No doubt if there was free movement of player labor things would be different but the reality is you have to make a decision, sign for a few years, collect your check and hope you picked the right level. I think EH should have stayed at Fulham (in hyndman-sight) but if we were all Nostrudamus we'd all own Microsoft, Apple and Amazon...
    MM's gamble was a bit more obvious, perhaps, but EH wasn't going after some insane level, and the alternative is that a player never gets a chance to see if he can punch above his weight.
     
  24. mattjo

    mattjo Member+

    Feb 3, 2001
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, Miazga had actually established himself as a starter that won hardware. Hyndman hasn't really done that, as partial season loans don't really signify the same thing.
     
  25. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Europe is a Yank cemetery, for the most part.
     

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