Jonathan Gonzalez at Queretaro (OLF from CF Monterrey)

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by genom, Feb 26, 2014.

  1. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    or just 1 thread to cover all the Americans that are permanently tied to another country.

    you already see threads were players are provisionally cap tied as mostly dead threads. But those players are still US eligible.
     
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  2. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's an American citizen, but just like any other American citizen that plays for another country, I (and I presume, most other posters here) don't much care to follow his career. He'll end up like Rossi/Subotic in USMNT consciousness as a dual-national that got away.
     
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  3. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    And this sort of proves they only wanted him to ruin him:

    http://www.espn.com/soccer/mexico/s...locked-from-u20-world-cup-by-monterrey-source

    In Spanish there's a saying, "ser el perro del hortelano: que ni come, ni deja comer al amo" (similar to "to be like the dog in the manger, who has no use for all the hay in there, but won't let the horse approach it").

    Actually, the "dog in the manger" saying did exist in English at some time in the distant past.
     
  4. Saldgotti1991

    Saldgotti1991 Member+

    Jun 7, 2011
    San Diego
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Just like the many careers the US has ruined after players switched nationalities.
     
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  5. Lukato

    Lukato Member+

    Sep 7, 2012
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    CDSC Cruz Azul
    how?
     
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  6. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And that makes it OK! Oh boy, you can justify all sorts of things with that mentality!
     
  7. Saldgotti1991

    Saldgotti1991 Member+

    Jun 7, 2011
    San Diego
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    And you can make a lot of claims with the original posters mentality. He’s young and has a lot ahead of him.
     
  8. SilentAssassin

    Apr 16, 2007
    St. Louis
    How does it prove that? And who is the "they" in this scenario? If the U20 team wanted him for a youth tournament, but Monterrey won't release him because they need him at a crucial part of their season, who is ruining him, exactly?
     
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  9. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Let's not pretend MX clubs don't follow what the Mexican federation demands. If they really wanted him for the U-20, he'd have been released. The guy has only 376' minutes played in the Clausura.
     
  10. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    I should really be above this at this point, but...

     
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  11. Lukato

    Lukato Member+

    Sep 7, 2012
    Club:
    CDSC Cruz Azul
    they don't, clubs reject call ups all the time when there is no FIFA date like in this case, it is specially a pain in the ass during the B squad Gold Cups, America for example refused to release Oribe Peralta last time , basically none of our top Liga MX players went to that cup except for Pizarro and only because in Osorio's genius mind he wasn't senior squad material, the FMF barely has any power over Liga MX nowadays.

    Jonathan is barely playing this clausura simply because he was benched by another young mexican player who already got his first call up against Chile, Tata said nothing but great things about the kid and might even make it to the Gold Cup this summer.
     
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  12. LaMascara

    LaMascara Member+

    Apr 11, 2013
    Club:
    Pachuca CF
    Faitelson who broke the news literally said the FMF was not pleased with Monterrey.
     
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  13. Salmos

    Salmos Moderator
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    Sep 26, 2010
    Berkeley, CA
    Club:
    Pachuca CF
    Not to mention more clubs need to learn to say no to these tournaments. I commend Monterrey for saying we’re not letting an integral part of our squad leave for a youth tournament.
     
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  14. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  15. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Never hear anything about this kid. Has he been frozen out by the Mexican NT?
     
  16. LaMascara

    LaMascara Member+

    Apr 11, 2013
    Club:
    Pachuca CF
    He's just not good enough for the senior national team. Charley Rodriguez has been starting over him with Monterrey and the national team. He will be part of the Olympic team.
     
  17. kruck

    kruck Member+

    Jan 12, 2008
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    What is your take on how his career has developed so far? What do you think his future looks like?
     
  18. LaMascara

    LaMascara Member+

    Apr 11, 2013
    Club:
    Pachuca CF
    I think overall good. Monterrey is a hard team to break into and he's still in the national team picture for the future. He will get his chance with the Olympic squad. With the way the liga is moving I'm sure he will be playing more in the future.
     
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  19. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    made a bad choice not to go with USMNT....
     
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  20. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
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  21. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

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    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
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    Arsenal FC
    Came on as a 90th-minute sub right before Liverpool's winner.
     
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  22. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    I wish him good luck and a very disappointing career
     
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  23. Eighteen Alpha

    Eighteen Alpha Member+

    Aug 17, 2016
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    Stoke City FC
    You just may speak for all of us.
     
  24. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He may serve as a useful cautionary tale to other dual nationals if he never becomes good enough to play for Mexico, but not materially better than other US options.
     
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  25. justinkicks

    justinkicks Member

    United States
    Feb 22, 2019
    Indianapolis, IN
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I daresay I would already prefer to see him on a roster over Wil Trapp.
     
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