I think you are a year behind, these look like the 2017 standings. In 2018: EAST 1. FCC 2. LCFC 3. Pitt 4. Charleston 5. RBNY2 6. BSFC 7. Indy 11 8. Nash 9. NCFC 10. Ottawa 11. Charlotte 12. Tampa Bay 13. Penn FC 14. ATL 2 15. Richmond 16. TFC 2 WEST 1. Orange County 2. Sac Rep 3. Phoenix 4. Real Monarchs 5. Reno 6. Portland 2 7. Swope Park Rangers 8. St Louis 9. San Antonio 10. OKC 11. Colorado Springs 12. Fresno 13. RGV 14. LAG2 15. LVFC 16. Seattle 2 17. Tulsa
And the mid-table teams with virtually nothing to play for for most of the season have also averaged close to capacity.
So this argument that "fighting for seventh place" is uninteresting is a crock then. Looks like half the league can still get relegated and the rest could still qualify for the Europa League (if Man City win the FA Cup).
Just fyi, RGV and Reno have independent supporters groups that you don't see at "2" teams. They also average higher attendances than 2 teams. RGV average 3,781, Reno 3,064. Compare that to the Union's Bethlehem Steel with 663 or SKC's Swope Park Rangers' 459.
You always get a crowd to watch a train wreck it doesn't make it interesting its just human nature. I think you'd find the attendance numbers for terrible NFL teams who are eliminated from playoffs to be similar. Why? Because just like soccer in England, the NFL is king here and fans will show up.
Odd, when local teams are reduced to "playing for better draft choices" every man and his dog seems to be trying to sell their tickets. Otoh, in a pro/rel pyramid, relegation nailbiters are actually a hot ticket. Thought you'd decided to piss off from this thread?
I remember the days before every Premier League/ First Division match was virtually a guaranteed sellout. Here are Notts final games in our 1983/84 relegation season. Sat 14 April MANCHESTER UNITED W 1-0 13 911 Tue 1 May WOLVERHAMPTON W. W 4-0 5 378 Sat 5 May QUEENS PARK RANGERS L 0-3 7 309 Sat 12 May LIVERPOOL D 0-0 18 745 Thu 17 May SOUTHAMPTON L 1-3 6 035 Our capacity at the time was just under 20,000.
The Oakland Raiders averaged 54K last season (a season that they announced they were leaving to LV and gutted the team aka no real reason to go see the team). Why would those fans go to those games? My argument is that the EPL and NFL are the top dogs in sports in their countries. So comparing the EPL to MLS is like comparing the NHL and EIHL (Englands Hockey league) and wondering how the brits are doing hockey so poorly. The EPL and NHL have old teams that have built up roots and have fans that see them as timeless sports institutions that they follow thick and thin. Soccer here doesn't have these roots and so it can't sustain the turmoil of pro/rel just yet. https://www.bizjournals.com/pittsbu...ance-down-slightly-in-2018-steelers-buck.html
Nope, just haven't found anything of interest to rebut but your lack of knowledge of the US sporting culture brought me back.
You mean they "sold" an average of 54k tickets. There certainly weren't that number of people in attendance at many of the games.
Yes just like the EPL clubs "sold" tickets. You're helping my argument by the way. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45158878
I see a lot of "big six" teams in that list but no relegation-threatened teams. So... no. For the NFL: https://www.breitbart.com/sports/20...dance-woes-continue-thousands-seats-go-empty/ Oh, and there's this: "American sports executives have long operated under different rules, whereby the announced attendance frequently bears little relation to the number of people present. " https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...leagues-attendance-figures-arsenal-celtic-mls
Do you have proof that other EPL don't follow suit or do you just think that way to further your baseless argument? Do you have a link that shows other clubs don't do like wise? The EPL and the NFL are similar on many levels, hell the EPL and NFL work hand in hand in some cases. Look at the NFL games played in London.
It behooves the person trying to make argument to provide information to substantiate it. I do agree that it’s sad an American owner has brought this disease to Arsenal’s attendances. NFL games up until now have been played at Wembley, which isn’t a Premier League stadium. You seem very clueless about US sporting culture.
Excellent we are in agreement then, I'll wait for your link that states that mid table and lower table prem teams don't follow attendance accounting practices that its biggest clubs apparently adhere to.
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/fo...n-2019-with-wembley-staging-two-a3975411.html Yep and what's more the future NFL games in London will be held at a prem ground.
So you're going to keep trying to make straw doll with this? K No, we've stated a number of times that England having people show up at the top level isn't really an indication of anything other than England has the largest/deepest pool of soccer fans in the world. Nobody has stated otherwise, ever. Half the league might be mathematically still in the relegation "race" or in relegation "danger" but in reality only two clubs (Southampton/BH) are in any real danger ... and Southampton 8pts up with the same number of remaining games isn't exactly sweating. Hell BH is 5pts up with a game in hand. Hot tickets in a pro/rel pyramid eh? Guess that's why Eisbären Bremerhaven can oly draw 2/3 of their arena capacity ... or why Delteco GBC are drawing so many empty seats to their 11K arena. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45158878 West Ham inflating by 22% - Southampton 13% - Watford 15% For some reason only EIGHT of the 20 clubs responded to the request for the numbers (gee, wonder why). Directly states that tickets sold is reported because: "Some clubs say they choose to publish 'tickets sold' because the data is more consistent and provides a simpler auditing process" and it's been going on too: http://stadiumdb.com/news/2014/08/premier_league_most_clubs_inflate_attendances (2014)
Wembley is the national stadium belonging to the FA. Tottenham May have played there whilst their ground was being rebuilt but it most certainly isn’t a Premier League stadium.
Oh, pretending things weren't posted. Here you go since you missed it on purpose: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45158878 West Ham inflating by 22% - Southampton 13% - Watford 15% For some reason only EIGHT of the 20 clubs responded to the request for the numbers (gee, wonder why). Directly states that tickets sold is reported because: "Some clubs say they choose to publish 'tickets sold' because the data is more consistent and provides a simpler auditing process" and it's been going on too: http://stadiumdb.com/news/2014/08/premier_league_most_clubs_inflate_attendances (2014)
Actually provided a link showings EPL clubs use the same attendance method as the NFL. YOU claim that this is not so for mid to lower level EPL clubs, so show us the link stating that.
I'm surprised the FA lets NFL teams compete in their stadium. Must not be aware it's a closed league.