Mr. Josmer Volmy Altidore

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by 50/50 Ball, Aug 22, 2016.

  1. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Could make a run at the record. He has always been an awesome MLS striker, though.
     
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  2. SpencerNY

    SpencerNY Member+

    Dec 1, 2001
    Up in the skyway
    Backhanded compliments are better than no compliments I guess.
     
  3. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's good for us when he's in form, so I hope he's called up. Better than Zardes.
     
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  4. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    :)

    Depends on the level of the opponent.
     
  5. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    He can't do this at the Hex level anymore. Time to move on.
     
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  6. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Only Mexico doesn't start MLS defenders. You can't have thought this out.
     
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  7. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    He scored as many goals today as he did the entire last Hex.

    But there was another American on that field today who scored two goals. I understand how impressive Jozy is and his career has seen no low points. It takes a real striker's striker to double Tim Howard's EPL goal total and thank God we have been blessed with Jozy. However, one man stepped into the spotlight and did the unreal. A multi goal game against a multi Lion team. Take a bow, Will Bruin, and make sure US Soccer is posting your highlights. The next twenty caps should belong to Bruin, no questions asked. Yes, I thought this out.
     
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  8. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    The good news for Altidore is that he has proven in his career that he can lead the line in 1-striker formations at a level above MLS, something which none of his competitors have done.

    Until Sargent or Weah break out, he'll continue to be in the picture and possibly/probably start.
     
  9. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Why are you talking only about what happened in 2017? Why not the 2018 CCL or, the current MLS season?

    Do you honestly think that the Hex teams will feature better players than Tigres, America and Chivas?

    https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2018-03-07-toronto-fc-vs-tigres-uanl/recap CB Mexico WC starter
    https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2018-04-03-toronto-fc-vs-club-america/recap CB One WC starter for Mexico and a Paraguayan with 20 caps
    https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2018-04-25-cd-guadalajara-vs-toronto-fc/recap both CBs double digit caps with Mexico
     
  10. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    I am talking about today. A complacent man adores lions. A true fan supports Lion Slayers.
     
  11. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    When did he prove this?

    I agree he should be in the picture but not an automatic call up and certainly not a starter.
     
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  12. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Last season, Zardes had 19 goals while leading the line of the Crew's 4231.
     
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  13. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    The Netherlands, of course, as Altidore certainly wasn't starting in a 4-4-2 with AZ.

    If "automatic callup" refers to the Top 5 or 6 players in the pool, then I agree with you. Those spots probably go to Pulisic, Adams, Steffen, McKennie, Brooks, and Yedlin right now. I think Altidore clearly goes in the next group after that.

    And Zardes appears to be the top competitor so far for Altidore. Although immediate opportunities for Sargent seem to be dwindling, maybe Celtic will throw some major minutes Weah's way in the final month of the campaign.
     
  14. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Zardes, Sapong, Morris, Nova, Altidore. That's solid quality for the GC.

    Weah and Sargent can play in the U20 World Cup.
     
  15. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What non-Mexico hex team is going to have better defenders than America, Tigres and Chivas?
     
  16. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    Lion Slayers don't worry about the opinions of sheep.
     
  17. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Altidore hasn't gotten it done at international level against solid teams in competition.
     
  18. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How do you explain the club record?
    Maybe he's not the problem.
     
  19. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    Same way you explain his international play. He's good to a certain level then useless against better competition. At his age, I doubt he will improve.
     
  20. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Pulisic playing underneath him would provide a sliver of hope.

    I actually want to see Altidore start because of his free kick abilities, but I want to see him at right forward.
     
  21. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
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    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I explain his international play as he is our third leading scorer of all time and tops in qualifying. Jozy truthers then say he only scored 2 times in the 17 hex. I point out that those goals were against the best D in the hex and in a must win game. Jozy truthers then mumble something about Mexico and "top teams." I point out that he scored against the best club teams in Mexico last year in club play and your reply is to ignore the evidence that contradicts your point.

    I have nothing further to say to you since you are not offering any thoughtful response.
     
  22. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    I said it during the Hex, the USMNT should have lined up like TFC to get the best out of Jozy, in that Pulisic could have played a second forward like Giovinco, with room to do whatever he wanted while Jozy played the 9.
     
  23. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jozy isn't an amazing striker, but an on-form Jozy can be an asset to the team. No, he's not great against the best teams, but he's a striker that stands out in MLS and can beat on CONCACAF teams consistently, which is a level of striker that we have precious few of. When Sargent, Soto, and the rest break through, he'll be a great bench/veteran option going into the WC.

    It just so happens that, right now, he's probably a starter on this team until then. He's a starter now, substitute later.
     
  24. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    We just see different things in Jozy. Our third leading scorer has pummeled minnows and received an inexplicable amount of caps. We should look for better. You believe two goals in the Hex should be applauded for a striker. I see it differently. You see a guy who scored against Mexican club teams. I see a guy who loafed during the Hex especially in Couva. You see a guy who lit up Holland. I see a guy who had two miserable stints surrounded by one good one in Europe. It's a USMNT forum and I don't see what he does going forward that younger players can't do. Linus and his blanket are cute. Jozy taking a spot at this point is not.
     
  25. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    I need to post this once a month :)

    Altidore's competitive starts(WCQing[Top 4 Hex], Gold Cup, Confederations Cup, Concacaf Cup, World Cup):

    2010 Cycle
    (Top 4 Hex = Mexico, US, Hon, CR)
    Costa Rica: Donovan
    Honduras: Donovan, Bocanegra
    Italy: Donovan
    Brasil:
    Egypt: Bradley, Davies, Dempsey
    Spain: Altidore, Dempsey
    Costa Rica: Bradley, Bornstein
    England: Dempsey
    Slovenia: Donovan, Bradley
    Algeria: Donovan
    Ghana: Donovan

    2014 Cycle: (Top 4 Hex = Mexico, US, Hon, CR)
    Honduras: Dempsey
    Costa Rica: Dempsey
    Mexico:
    Honduras: Altidore
    Ghana: Dempsey, Brooks

    2018 Cycle: (Top 4 Hex = Mexico, CR, Hon, Pan)
    Honduras: Dempsey(2)
    Mexico: Cameron, Wood
    Mexico: Wood
    Costa Rica:
    Honduras: Dempsey(3), Lletget, Bradley, Pulisic
    Panama: Dempsey
    Mexico: Bradley
    Costa Rica: Altidore
    Costa Rica:
    Panama: Altidore(2), Wood, Pulisic
     
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