News: Club World Cup to Expand; Confederations Cup to End

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  1. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So, with a little over a month to go before the fateful meeting here in Miami, here's where we stand:



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    The same actors will be butting heads for the foreseeable future.
     
  2. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm happy about that.
     
  3. Paul Calixte

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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ceferin: "We [UEFA] are not in agreement with the Global League of Nations that [FIFA] is proposing and the new Club World Cup that they want to set up. We ask FIFA for respect and to hear us out, nothing more."

    I mean, if the only way we get to replace the Confederations Cup with the Global League of Nations is with FIFA selling its soul to Saudi Arabia and Softbank, I kinda have to side with UEFA on this one.
     
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  4. vancity eagle

    vancity eagle Member+

    Apr 6, 2006

    why does uefa oppose global nations league and what do you mean by FIFA selling its soul to the Saudis ?
     
  5. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    I'm surprised they're meeting in the USA, now they can be under the jurisdiction of the FBI. Although most of the bribes wire through American banks so I guess they figure it doesn't make any difference anyway. In fact, maybe it shows confidence that so far nobody has been caught doing anything.
     
  6. Paul Calixte

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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #731 Paul Calixte, Feb 8, 2019
    Last edited: Feb 12, 2019
    Unfortunately, the issue coming up next month is not "Should we have a Global Nations League + expanded Club World Cup?", but "Should we accept the consortium's investment proposal to have these tournaments?" UEFA is an outspoken opponent of expanding the CWC, to be fair, but the real crux of their concerns is the utter lack of transparency on this proposal, who is behind it (besides what has come out regarding the involvement of Softbank and Saudi Arabia) and what it entails.
     
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  7. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
  8. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    BUT THEY ONLY HAVE 60 DAYS!!!11!1!

    ...yeah, at some point that will no longer be funny. Still fresh today, though :D
     
  9. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
  10. Paul Calixte

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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    USSoccer president Carlos Cordeiro says that the Confederations Cup's demise is a fait accompli.

    ...but that still leaves the question of what happens if Infantino rolls snake eyes next month (no 2022 WC expansion + no approval for the consortium package). Do they just give up and leave the June 2021 window for WCQ? Perhaps, but UEFA celebrating Nations League finals while FIFA twiddles its thumbs would be some levels of humiliating.
     
  11. r0adrunner

    r0adrunner Member+

    Jun 4, 2011
    London, UK
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    When UEFA plays it's NL finals the other confederations - which have to have more WCQ games because they get fewer finals places - play their WCQs. What's wrong with that?

    Keep things as they are!
     
  12. Paul Calixte

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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nothing, a priori - but Infantino's clearly hell-bent on having some major championship that summer. That is, he doesn't want to drop the Confederation Cup and leave that period fallow, but rather replace it with Global Nations League and Club World Cup finals.
     
  13. fero

    fero Member

    Oct 31, 2011
    Argentina
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    2021 World Champions Cup.
    8 teams 5 european 3 south america in Europe so they stop yelling, maybe in France current champion or in "we are the victim" UK.
    And you can replay it in 2025, because money.
     
  14. fero

    fero Member

    Oct 31, 2011
    Argentina
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #739 fero, Feb 19, 2019
    Last edited: Feb 19, 2019
    Group A Rest of the World
    Brazil 5
    Argentina 2
    Uruguay 2
    England 1

    Group B Europa
    Germany 4
    Italy 4
    France 2
    Spain 1

    Have fun making your groups of dead.

    4 wonderfull weekends, no semifinals, chamionship game, 3rt place game, 5th place game and 7 place game. ( I need another Arg-Ger aniway)
    Group a in Spain, grop b in Germany, finals in France.
     
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  15. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #740 EvanJ, Feb 19, 2019
    Last edited: Feb 19, 2019
    I'm not saying he's wrong, but FIFA hasn't said anything. FIFA writes about issues created by others such as illegally selling tickets, so if the media reports something that isn't true, FIFA should comment. If the media reports something that is true that FIFA did not want announced yet, FIFA should write a brief piece confirming that it is true and if necessary say something like "more details will follow in due time."

    Are those meant to be guesses at how many points each country would get? In a single round-robin group of four, the total points must range from 12 (if there were 6 draws) to 18 (if there were no draws). Your groups add up to 10 and 11 points.

    I don't like the idea because of the likely that a team would be eliminated by a tiebreaker. With the current World Cup format, barring a very unlikely three-way tie for first, any team eliminated by a tiebreaker will have fewer points than the first place team. If the only way to reach the Final is to win your group, there could be 2 teams with 7 points who played a draw against each other, with the winner determined by goal differential against the bottom two.
     
  16. fero

    fero Member

    Oct 31, 2011
    Argentina
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Brazil 5 world cup winned, argentina 2.
     
  17. celito

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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    World Champions Cup > 48 team World Cup
     
  18. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
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    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Some way or another Qatar would find a way to sneak into that one as well :D
     
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  19. JLSA

    JLSA Member

    Nov 11, 2003
    If you're going to only allow in countries that have won a World Cup I demand you only let them use PLAYERS that have won a World Cup.

    Otherwise you are rewarding people for other's people's efforts.

    J
     
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  20. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
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    I remember the year before the World Cup in 1998 Tournoi de France '97 was a tournament made up of World Cup winners. It was fun to watch on tv.

    Roberto Carlos' FK to beat Barthez was iconic and one of my favorite memories from any tournament.

    A World Cup winners Cup would be something I welcome with open arms.
     
  21. vancity eagle

    vancity eagle Member+

    Apr 6, 2006
    I see nothing wrong with a global nations league. It should be welcomed. Basically an improved Confederations cup.

    Not enough inter confederational competition with only 1 world cup every 4 years.
     
  22. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    I like the idea of it in theory but do not like the neutral site idea being proposed.
    To me a True Nations League would have teams playing home and away legs for most of the tournament until maybe the semis.
    But i know that is not being discussed at all as a possibility.
     
  23. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    I don't think a true world league is feasible right now. There are too many other things going on.
     
  24. HomietheClown

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    Dusselheim FC 1971
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  25. fero

    fero Member

    Oct 31, 2011
    Argentina
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #750 fero, Feb 20, 2019
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2019
    The top 16 teams in the world can easily play a homeandaway world league the same dates that there is a euro league, you just need do it official so the conmebol qualification 2022 can go around it.
    Brazil, Uruguay, argentina and colombia are ready, the last one in each group get replaced a by a team of the same continent, and the rest of the world keep going doing his own stuff, everrybody happy.
    Are the top12 european ready?
     

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