2019 Asian Cup - Knockout Rounds II[R]

The best part of all this, is that MBZ and UAE spent hundreds of millions of dollars, just to get embarrassed at home, while bringing so much joy to the streets of Qatar...the irony!

 

how did you come to that conclusion?

 

you know nothing about football if you think the Iran vs japan game was a "thrashing." what happened to Iran could happen to any team. france could easily lose to serbia like this under the same circumstances. it wouldnt mean that serbia "thrashed" france or is "undisputedly better than france." you are embarassing yourself by claiming that result has a direct cause on peformance within the match. amateur stuff. you are the type of fan that thinks south korea "owned germany" because they scored the 2nd goal when germany had -11 defenders in the last second of the game. it is actually very common for there to be inflated scores in must win matches when one team is forced to attack... especially when both of the teams are equal quality. it does not mean that team got "thrashed."

 

I’m not gonna get involved in silly hypothetical arguments. But do you realize that Iran actually played Qatar only five days before this tournament and beat them 2-1?

Also Iran fielded mostly reserve players in the last group stage match because a draw was all that was needed and comparing that match with Qatar’s knockout match is like comparing apples and oranges.

So as ridiculous the whole Iran-Qatar argument by persianfootball is, your argument is way off too. Qatar is having a better tournament than Iran obviously, but to claim they’re suddenly “a better team without a shadow of a doubt” is ludicrous when Iran just beat them 4 weeks ago.

 

Can we discuss the final please ?

 

you are a funny one. i gave completely logical assessments, you are the one who is giving emotional and irrational assessments. then you project and try to pin it on me.

some examples of how you are being biased and emotional: you talk about how Iran "even failed to win a revenge match against iraq." this is complete bollocks. we simply needed to get 1 point in that match to fulfill our objective. you might be all about revenge, but our players didnt care. they operated the same way as your beloved japan did... by playing for the objective in an efficient manner. if japan does it... it is good and "efficient" and "shows mental resilience" but if Iran does it, it is "failing." then you call me unbiased and irrational...........

Iran and qatar had the same performance against iraq. qatar had more urgency to win though seeing as how they would have gone home if they did not win. that explains the 1-0 vs 0-0. but if you atually watched the game, qatar nowhere near dominated iraq. it was more or less an even match, with qatar playing slightly better. similar to the Iran vs iraq match. if anything, it was harder for Iran because iraq defended more against us than they did against qatar: they gave qatar more space. but they played for the draw against us.

i never said Iran didnt play weak teams. that is you putting words in my mouth because you are an irrational and biased person. i simply said qatar is untested against Iran/japan, so it is silly to call them, at this stage, "the undisputed top 2 teams of the tournament." meanwhile, Iran slightly outperformed japan until the 2nd half events, so i have a rational reason to call Iran a top 2 team.

i am simply saying qatar has been untested so far, so premature statements like "qatar is undisputedly the top 2 teams of this tournament" is unwarranted at this point.

look, i wish Iran played stronger teams. but i dont get to control that. that is a ******** up by FIFA and AFC to make it a 24 team tournament, resulting in too many fluff teams.

you say qatar beat saudi 2-0. did you see the match? the saudi defense was literally non existant. saudi was just a name this tournament, a paper tiger. unfortunately, as i said, AFC messed it up with 24 team format. but i really doubt this Iran side would have lost to this saudi side who can neither score nor defend, all they do is keep possession. they play similar to how spain did WC2018, except with much lower quality players so even more ineffective.

you say qatar beat korea. again, it was a close match with a wonder goal out of nowhere. also, korea was another paper tiger in this tournament. they were also just a name.

you say they "thrashed the home nation." but UAE was not even a top 10 team in this tournament. again, this qatar side is every efficient and plays to their strength: they absolutely punish weak sides very well. they have also managed to scrape by against paper tigers and decent sides. overall good job to this qatar team. but again, nothing they have done so far indicates that they are "clearly better than Iran." Iran would have very likely also won all of the games qatar did.

so yes qatar did good. but they are being overrated. fact is, they are untested so far.

at best qatar can be said to be equal to Iran thus far in this tournament. it is absolutely ridiculous to say that qatar is "by far the better than compared to Iran" as you have stated.

i said that Iran and qatar have been very close, but i give Iran the nod thus far because we put japan under pressure for 55 minutes. i dont think qatar can match our performance against japna. of course the scoreline will be closer, how many times does a back to back random gift goal + undeserved hand ball penalty happen to kill off a game? but as i said, scoreline does not necessarily result what happened during the game. only amateur and biased fans make such claims.

 

why is my Iran qatar argument ridiculous? how is it ridiculous to call those out who say "qatar is clearly by far better than Iran" or "qatar is undisputably the top 2 teams of the tournament" what is interesting is that you go on to literally say the same thing as me: you are saying he is ridiculous for saying that qatar is "clearly better than Iran" which is the exact same thing I said.

why are you looking to get brownie points by trying to look unbiased and more credible by bringing down a countryman? that is pretty lame dude.

 

It’s a just pointless argument as far as this tournament is concerned, as there is no way of objectively proving it one way or another, besides the official placing of the teams that is.

I’ve watched all the games and my own opinion is that Qatar has preformed better than Iran and even Japan. And they fully deserved to be in the final. Now as far who is better or not, well that’s why there are ranking systems out there, for that very purpose and we would just have to wait and see if Qatar can maintain this top form going forward.

 

so you are using a friendly to supercede an actual tournament now.

Qatar has beaten

S.Korea, Iraq, S. Arabia

Iran has beaten

China

Qatar has been better than Iran at this tournament, by virtually every single measure.

Next.

 

Tbh I have no idea who is arguing with who. Everyone is clashing with each other. Its all messy. Could we please stop this and discuss the final ?

 

everyone knows who the irrational person is.

Qatar is not "untested"

They have beaten 2 of Asias Big 5 in regular time. One of them by 2 clear goals.

They beat the home nation which is a top 10 team in Asia 4-0. They also beat another top 10 team in Asia in Iraq.

They are not untested at all, and are deservedly in the final after scoring 16 goals and letting in a whopping ZERO.

They have clearly been the best side overall in this tournament, its not even close to be honest.

If Japan can beat them, then its simply a case of them stepping up a notch when they need to.

If not Qatar is clearly the best team currently in Asia.

 

Qatar is well preparing its 2022 FIFA World Cup. But a tougher test will be during the 2019 Copa America.

 

What’s more relevant in comparing two teams, a direct resent result between them or hypothetical comparisons of their results against other teams? By your logic, Turkmenistan is better than Iran because they lost to Japan 3-2 and not 3-0.

I’m not even sure what you’re arguing with me about, I agree with you that Qatar is in better form and has had a better tournament than Iran, no doubts about. What I took issues with, was your premature assessment that this Qatar side is suddenly “without a shadow of a doubt better team than Iran”. A good tournament run on its own, is not enough to justify such assessments. You need a bigger pool of results over a longer period of time to make such bold declaration.

 

I dont mind either. I’ve been Japan fan since early 2000’s and Im still a fan but Qatar in the other hand have been building this team for the last 8 years and with all the hard work they made they deserve this cup. Its their time. And they won and gained my respect. Its a win win for me so I’ll just watch the final and enjoy it.

 

Is it just me or was this tournament just disappointing? Aside from my country, Iraq, losing I felt that the general level was simply too low. Many would argue that Vietnam has improved immensely, but part of me think that it's a combination of other teams playing poorly and improvements from Vietnam.

Iran fell at the sight of the first hurdle. Australia, the UAE, and SA has just been disappointing from the get-go. South Korea fell to a Qatar, which frankly struggled against an Iraq with massive defensive issue.

This is proving to be the weakest continent on earth when it comes to football.

 

As much as I don't like Qatars approach to football (using foreign players) they have been great in this tournament scoring 16 conceding 0 with no fans to support them. The 2 best teams made the final In the end.

 

so lets make it 2-0 then. The "real" final will still be between Japan and Qatar, and you get to watch those teams play in it like the rest of us. I expect the sort of attitude where you can't believe your team lost from some supporters. At least your team has learnt from its errors last time and decided to go home and not hang around hoping to change the results in some court.

 

do you think that with Kuwait and Indonesia the level would be higher in this cup?

 

persianfootball is persianfootball, he’s just trolling. But lets face it, culturally or politically, Australia as part of the British commonwealth, is hardly impartial when it comes to anything related to Iran. So ideally, Australian referees shouldn’t be officiating any of Iran’s matches to begin with and vice-versa, let alone decide such crucial matches. Now this is two Asian Cups in a row that controversial and questionable calls from an Australian referee have interfered with Iran’s fate. Numerous times in AFC Champions League too.

I just hope that the Australian government, does us a big favour and cuts off all diplomatic ties with the Iranian government like Canada has for example, and then consequently we won’t have to put up with Australian referees anymore.

 

Australia has no political issues with Iran and there is no historical issues with Iran either (other than the WC qualifer, where more people blame the protester than Iran).

The referees definitely would have no bias against Iran (if anything we'd probably have more bias against Japan given WWII).

 

I don't think so, Indonesia is probably still at a level below the Philippines, as seem by the latest Suzuki Cup, and while Kuwait is probably stronger than Yemen, their wouldn't be much difference to Oman in terms of quality, so wouldn't significantly improve the overall level much.

 

Where do you get that Iran and Australia have good relations? Australia still unilaterally sanctions Iran even after the 5+1 deal that removed the UN sanctions and takes a much more hardline stance on Iran than even the British. As part of the US Coalition in the region, Australian government has gone as far as militarily threatening Iran last year.

There were actually suggestions last year that Australia might cut off all ties with Iran, which is why I mentioned it. It’s not that far fetched actually. Canada already did it.

 

Australia subscribes to the UN Security Council sanctions imposed on Iran, but it is hardly news or something politically most Australian's are aware of (or have daily deliberations about).

The average Australian has no issues with Iranians. There are 58,000 Iran-born Australians (2016) which increased from 35,000 in 2011.

A referee from Australia would definitely have no bias towards Iran (there is a very clear separation of government and sport in Australia).

 

Australia follows the exact same sanctions on Iran as Britain and the rest of the EU. When the USA pulled out of that deal, Australia made no changes.

And in the Article you linked the then Australian Prime Minister Malcom Turnbull said "President Trump has made his views very clear to the whole world, but this story … has not benefited from any consultation with me, the Foreign Minister, the Defence Minister or the Chief of the Defence Force,". So there certainly wasn't any military threat coming from Aus.