U-20, U-19, and U-17 January Camp (Jan. 4-13, Florida)

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  1. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Because he’s also reporting on the draft and players coming into the league. It’s not all about the US U-20 team

    I’m sure Cincinnati fans (and there are many of them) care how he plays
     
  2. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    The MLS draft stopped being interesting years ago. They've stopped airing it on TV. The draft has lost most of its good prospects due to homegrown deals, more players playing professional soccer at an earlier age and players leaving earlier than in the past.

    If you are watching the game, I think there would be more interest in telling his readers about Durkin or Taitague than Amaya or Dorsey. The metrics could say otherwise though.
     
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  3. ielag

    ielag Member+

    Jul 20, 2010
    I guarantee the SuperDraft will be trending on Twitter. The SuperDraft isn't nearly as important, but Americans love drafts in any sport.

    Plus, Cincy has a huge fan base and I'm sure they're interested in what Ives reported.
     
  4. TheFalseNine

    TheFalseNine Moderator
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    Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 15, 2014
    Norman, Okla.
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Really encouraging about Taitague:

     
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  5. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Shouldn't Ives be covering Frankie Amaya instead?
     
  6. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 4, 2017
    Sometimes things are covered because the media likes having a paid junket to Florida. The Draft and Combine are easy trips to sell to editors. Nobody wants these things to end, so they keep hyping it.

    Sounds like MLS HQ has crunched the numbers on flying all these college players in and hosting them and realizing quick what a monumental waste of money it is. Especially when most will be in USL at best.
     
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  7. ChuckMe92

    ChuckMe92 Member+

    Jun 23, 2016
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A bit off topic, but I've been wondering for the longest time what exactly was U17 keeper Chituru Odunze's connection to the US. Some sources have claimed he was born in England and raised in Canada, so I was thinking an American parent. After some digging, turns out it's his birth in North Carolina. Also, surprisingly, he does not have Canadian citizenship yet. If he plays a match for the US in the CONCACAF U17s -- say, in the last match of the group stage -- and hasn't yet obtained Canadian citizenship, then he can never play for Canada, just like Diego Fagundez can't play for the USMNT.
     
  8. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A lot of US soccer media types have gravitated towards specializations. Galarcep has always covered the combine and the draft fairly closely. Back when SBI was more influential, he also covered college soccer more closely than many.

    TBH it feels like there's a lot less coverage of the combine/draft this year than in years past.

    There are plenty of problems in US soccer. US soccer journalists covering a US soccer-related event that's happening during the offseason when not much else going on is a weird thing to get irritated about.
     
  9. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The metrics don't say otherwise. Almost no one cares about college soccer or the draft. Ives has totally scaled back his coverage over the last decade, he used to do video interviews from the combine with guys like Jalil Anibaba and Will Bruin and whatnot but eventually stopped, because who cares?

    He said as much recently, here:
    But here's what you're missing: sending a couple tweets about Amaya and Dorsey takes almost no effort, and in fact does not in any way interfere with also sending tweets about Taitague or Durkin... They're not mutually exclusive. Which is why he did both.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dichotomies
     
  10. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Everybody knows that the draft has now become a search for the "hidden gem." The young player that can be developed into at least an MLS-caliber player. Maybe that is Amaya in the right environment.

    We've been hearing in a number of places, not just from Ives, that Amaya is being looked at for a top selection in the draft. Ives isn't making this stuff up out of thin air. Of course he's going to pay attention to him and report on his performance.

    By the way, there's also been a lot of reporting that a lot of teams are trying to trade down in the draft in order to pick up assets. That includes FC Dallas at #4 (the pick they got for Kellyn Acosta). I think this draft crop looks particularly weak, and clubs are looking to see if they can pick up any GAM/TAM/WHAM whatever in exchange.
     
  11. TheFalseNine

    TheFalseNine Moderator
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    Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 15, 2014
    Norman, Okla.
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  12. SoccerLover829

    Manchester United
    United States
    Aug 21, 2018
    I heard 1 of the 2 goals was from a PK in the 2nd half and that Fowler and especially Shakes, had some amazing saves to keep the score close.
     
  13. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    If nobody thinks their picks are worth much, one wonders what they can expect to get in return...
     
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  14. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Opprobrium, but they seem relatively impervious to that.
     
  15. Runhard

    Runhard Member+

    Barcelona
    United States
    Jul 5, 2018

    Good to see Ferri called out by name as Gruther Furth probably doing good things for him. Pax playing well as usual and hopefully this is a springboard to getting overseas. Would anticipate there are a number of euro scouts there watching.
     
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  16. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 4, 2017
    Is it simply cost or is it laziness or is there some higher reason that the games from this camp are not streamed?
     
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  17. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    You've made me long for the days when it would've made perfect sense to use my ample free time to watch YNT intrasquad scrimmages. If that kind of thing is important to you, my advice is don't have kids.
     
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  18. Peretz48

    Peretz48 Member+

    Nov 9, 2003
    Los Angeles
    Back in the day I knew Deadheads who seemingly had mysterious financial sources and could just follow the band from city to city. I mean, it's great listening to Morning Dew and St. Stephen, but what what else is going on. Maybe when I hit the lottery I'll be a USYNT groupie and watch the U20s scrimmage the U19s to my heart's content.
     
  19. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    When that happens, don't forget to drop us a line from time to time.
     
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  20. TheFalseNine

    TheFalseNine Moderator
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    Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 15, 2014
    Norman, Okla.
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And post lots of pics and videos!!
     
  21. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
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  22. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Here's one team's valuation of the draft:

     
  23. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    There's a lot to chew on in the article attached to the Tannenwald tweet:

    http://www.philly.com/soccer/mls-su...incinnati-20190110.html?__vfz=medium=sharebar

    I'm not sure I would trust the Union to lead the way on this, but there must be general agreement on the declining value of the college draft. Still, it was surprising to read that the draft won't even produce 13 quality players - the Union have the 13th pick - and that 5 draft picks (including the 13th) could be had for a relative pittance.
     
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  24. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Philly has a USL team and an aggressive academy. They've got plenty of ways to bring in prospects and roster fodder. Arguably they got Cincinnati to pay them to not have to care who the Galaxy just took with the 60th pick.
     
  25. Peretz48

    Peretz48 Member+

    Nov 9, 2003
    Los Angeles
    It's amazing how quickly things change. We can all remember when not only were all the 1st rounders making MLS rosters, but much of the 2nd rounders as well. And who can forget those hidden gems coming out of the 3rd and 4th rounds. HG signings, guys leaving for Europe, plus the influx of promising young prospects from South America have all contributed to the diminishment of the draft. Aside from a few GA players, the rest are 22-23 year old guys who have little hope of becoming MLS regulars.
     

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