Okay, he's only been at the club for two and a bit seasons, but his goal scoring regularity is second only to Gerd Muller in the history of Bayern Munich goalscorers, as this statistical analysis shows - http://www.thestatszone.com/article...-the-all-time-great-bayern-munich-goalscorers Given the fact that Lewandowski plays in a more competitive era, there's an argument to be had that he's one of the most lethal forwards in Bundesliga history. That article certainly puts forward a compelling case. Thoughts?
This is a far less competitive era than in former decades. Bayern is head and shoulders above all other Bundesliga clubs. The team is stacked with players of world class unlike any Bayern team of the past. Bayern never had two wingers of such extraordinary class as Ribéry and Robben, just one point. Bayern faced much stiffer competition in decades past than today.
This era is not only better, but the best of all time, still players score more now than they have in past 20 years (which, btw, doesn't contradict it). It's true that Bayern is way more dominant now than, possibly, ever before, but i don't think Mueller or most of earlier players could cope with modern football, but Mueller was regarded at the time moreso than Lewandowski is now so it depends from which perspective you are sking this question.
I personally would take Muller as our best of all time. Lewa is a great player, but he doesn't have that killer finishing touch Muller had. I would say that from a technical and nutrition aspect, the competition is as tough as ever. The Bundesliga however was way tougher back in Muller's time. More German sides were making deeper runs in Europe. But the defenses of today ship less goals then the defenses of back then as well. As that one poster said, it's a matter of perspective. But I would certainly say Muller should always be considered the best striker in Bayern history.
I thinhk, Lewandowski is the second best striker. Gerd Muller was, is and will be the best. Just look at his incredible stats, it can't be beat.
He's definitely one of the best strikers or centre forwards, whatever you want to call it in the world. There are not many around with his quality...
Gerd Muller is beyond of all Bayern Munchen strikers. He scored 66 goals in UEFA competitions, Lewandowski only 36. Giovane Elber is better than Lewandowski in technical sense. Even Thomas Muller scored more goals for Bayern than Lewandowski and he often plays slightly back, he fights more for the ball. The contribution in striking position is also for Arjen Robben. Lewandowski is maybe fifth top striker of Bayern. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FC_Bayern_Munich_records_and_statistics#Goalscorers Gerd Muller also had huge impact in German NT, but Lewandowski doesn't bring Poland on some much higher positions. K. H. Rumenigge is the second striker of all time. I remember Bayern starting from 1994, 1995, all earlier decades are unknown for me in Live sense. Statistics is maybe cruel, but it helps. In last periods, Bayern didn't had some strong competition. Other teams were much stronger in 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's than today. Bayern today only needs to buy top player from each clubs and they are safe, players like Elber, Goetze, Mario Gomez, Mandzukic, Olic, Lewandowski and they are safe in Bundesliga. This makes other clubs much weaker, that's why we see HSV, Werder, Leverkusen, Schalke on these low positions. We need to divide periods in decades and create statistical decision. Modern era starts from 1970 I think. Or maybe since 1960. I prefer 1970. We still compare today's players with Cruyff, Muller, Rossi, not with someone from 50's, 40's. Gerd Muller Bayern Munich[2][15][16] Regionalliga Süd (German Second Division): 1964–65 Bundesliga: 1968–69, 1971–72, 1972–73, 1973–74 DFB-Pokal: 1965–66, 1966–67, 1968–69, 1970–71 European Cup: 1973–74, 1974–75, 1975–76 European Cup Winners' Cup: 1966–67 Intercontinental Cup: 1976 International Germany[2][15] FIFA World Cup: 1974 European Championship: 1972 Individual Ballon d'Or: 1970[17] German Footballer of the Year: 1967, 1969[18] Voted best Player 40 Years Bundesliga 1963–2003[19] kicker Bundesliga Team of the Season: 1968–69, 1969–70, 1971–72, 1972–73[20][21][22][23] Bundesliga Top Scorer: 1967, 1969, 1970, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1978[2] European Golden Shoe: 1970, 1972[24] FIFA World Cup Golden Boot: 1970[2] FIFA World Cup All-Star Team: 1970 UEFA European Championship Top Scorer: 1972[2] UEFA European Championship Team of the Tournament: 1972[25] European Cup Top Scorer: 1973, 1974, 1975, 1977[26] FIFA Order of Merit: 1998[27] FIFA 100: 2004[2] Golden Foot: 2007, as football legend[28] Bravo Otto: Gold award: 1973, 1974; Silver award: 1975; Bronze award: 1972, 1976 IFFHS Legends[29] Bayern Munich All-time XI Robert Lewandowski Club Lech Poznań[151] Ekstraklasa: 2009–10 Polish Cup: 2008–09 Polish SuperCup: 2009 Borussia Dortmund[151] Bundesliga: 2010–11, 2011–12 DFB-Pokal: 2011–12 DFL-Supercup: 2013 UEFA Champions League runner-up: 2012–13 Bayern Munich Bundesliga: 2014–15, 2015–16, 2016–17, 2017–18 DFB-Pokal: 2015–16 DFL-Supercup: 2016, 2017, 2018 Individual II liga Top Goalscorer: 2006–07 (15 goals) I liga Top Goalscorer: 2007–08 (21 goals) Ekstraklasa Best player: 2009 Ekstraklasa Top Goalscorer: 2009–10 (18 goals) Polish Revelation of the Year: 2008 Polish Footballer of the Year: 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 DFB-Pokal Top Goalscorer: 2011–12 (7 goals), 2016–17 (5 goals), 2017–18 (6 goals) FIFA FIFPro World XI 2nd team: 2015, 2017[152][153] FIFA FIFPro World XI 3rd team: 2013, 2016[154][155] FIFA FIFPro World XI 4th team: 2014[156] FIFA FIFPro World XI 5th team: 2018[157] Bundesliga Top Goalscorer: 2013–14 (20 goals), 2015–16 (30 goals), 2017–18 (29 goals)[158] Bundesliga Team of the Year: 2014–15, 2015–16, 2016–17, 2017–18[159][160][161][162] UEFA Euro qualifying Top Goalscorer: UEFA Euro 2016 qualifying (13 goals) Best player of UEFA EURO 2016 qualifying[163] Polish Sportspersonality of the Year: 2015[164] UEFA Champions League Squad of the Season: 2015–16, 2016–17[6][7] IFFHS World's Top Goal Scorer of the Year: 2015[165] Bundesliga Player of the Year: 2016–17[4] FIFA World Cup qualification Top Goalscorer: 2018 FIFA World Cup qualification (16 goals)[166] Records International Scoring record for a single UEFA European Championship qualification: UEFA Euro 2016 qualifying (13 goals)[167] Scoring record for a single European FIFA World Cup qualification: 2018 FIFA World Cup qualification (16 goals) First European player to score 16 goals in a FIFA World Cup qualification[166] Most hat-tricks scored in a single European FIFA World Cup qualification: 3 (2018 FIFA World Cup qualification) Bundesliga Bayern Munich Highest number of scored goals in a game by a substitute: 5 (matchday 6 of 2015–16)[8] Shortest elapsed timespan until a scored hat-trick: 4 minutes (between minute 51 and 55 of matchday 6 of 2015–16)[8] Shortest elapsed timespan until five scored goals: 8 minutes 59 seconds (between minute 51 and 60 of matchday 6 of 2015–16)[8] 100 German top flight goals quicker than any foreign player[168]
That is a huge, bold statement for which you provided zero evidence. I am not saying you are wrong, but try to explain it without falling into either Begining the question, or Circular reasoning fallacy.. It's an overused argument that has no foundation in truth whatsoever, but here is the fun part. You, yourself, in listing all of their acheivments, showed that Lewandowski won Bundesliga twice with Borussia Dortmund scoring 22 goals in 2011/12 campaign while competing against Jupp's, back-to-back UCL finalists, Bayern, which, basically, shits (contradicts) all over your points about lack of competition in Bundesliga and Lewandowski having it easy because he plays in dominant team. Yeah, it must have been damn hard scoring 7 goals against mighty Omonia in the R16 in 1972/73 season, etc. European cup used to have 3-5 competitive games a season, often teams had no serious competition till the final itself, and you are comparing that to the numbers of, still in prime, 30 year old, Lewandowski in modern UCL?,.. your analysis is biased and superficial as hell and i actually agree with the statement that Gerd is a much greater goalscorer.
The main evidence is that Bayern Munchen buys top players from other stronger clubs. With that act, Bayern makes them much weaker. Niklas Sule, Sandro Wagner, came from Hoffenheim, who is one of threats for Bayern. Arrivals of Hummels and Lewandowski should create bad road for Dortmund. Goretzka came from Schalke, and they are very weak in last seasons. Kimmich came from Leipzig. This is their strategy in last 10-15 years. Buy key players of other clubs, so that they lose their power. In Germany, many people started to dislike Bayern, because of that. It seems that players of Monchengladbach resist somehow, I don't see a lot of arrivals from there in Munchen. That's why I think that Bayern doesn't have some real competition in Bundesliga. Something similar to PSG and Juventus in their leagues. Bayern doesn't invest so much effort in national league, so that they achieve 15 points of advantage.
Hummels and Lewa are only proper examples of such behaviour, others had little to no influence on the league. Kimmich was bought from 2nd league, etc. Anyhow, those kind of transfers are not unique to Bayern in Bundesliga. Every big team has been doing it for decades and it almost never has resulted in so dominant team.. that's not what makes them dominant
Spanish, English leagues are much stronger, if we compare the intensity of quality. I am sure that Everton, for example, might make a lot of problems in Champions League against top teams. They are 10th at the moment. There are six evident top English clubs. Even some others swim in nice amount of money, transfers and highly paid contracts. Valencia, 11th team at the moment, also made problems in Champions League. Villarreal is 19th, but I could say, that they could end in the knock out stage in one equally distributed group. In Germany there are two strong clubs, with several clubs of strong tradition: Monchengladbach. German clubs play around their 3-4 top players, they don't have all 11. So, if someone buys one of them, clubs can only sink. Serge Gnabry came from Werder. Goretzka, Neuer from Schalke. Schalke has now 30 years old GK Fahrmann, obvious decline in quality compared with Neuer in his best seasons. I don't see top Bayern players who end in Bremen, HSV, Schalke, Leverkusen. Lets not forget Kaiserslautern, who vanished completely. Ciriaco Sforza came from Kaiserslautern in Bayern, same as Andreas Brehme. Weaker ones left abroad, Asia, Rehagel took Greece NT and Kaiserslautern collapsed. New threats for Bayern are Dortmund, Eintracht, Monchengladbach, so we could expect that 1-2 players come from those clubs. Maybe Guerreiro, Witsel...maybe Plea, Akanji, Hazard...
This is rubbish. Every top club buys players mainly from their league. How is Hoffenheim a threat to Bayern or Leipzig that was in second division Of the list of teams you support you have Man Utd Valencia, Shaw, Jones, Smalling, Fellaini, Mata, Lukaku, I can name more If we take Dortmund, Wolf Burki, Delaney, Diallo, Gotze Reus Toljan, Dahoud, Phillip, Reus, Toprak Hitz, are players who were bought from within the league
When other clubs buy players, like Real, Barcelona, Chelsea, Manchester...they don't harm the league so much, because the quality is pretty much wide in these leagues. In Germany, mostly domestic players play, there are not many expensive players like in Inter, Juventus, Real, Barcelona, both Manchester's, Arsenal, Chelsea, PSG...it's not the same, if Bayern buys from Hoffenheim, or if Manchester City buys from Everton, because Everton will still remain among top clubs, but Hoffenheim could drop easy, if they lose 1-2 players. Observe Tottenham, Kane and Alli are injured, bad results started, because they don't have large bench. Bayern is the only club with PSG and Juventus, who will win the national league titles, year after year.
whats the point of your comment Isnt Bayern 2nd atm while allegedly still doing it? There is no shortage of great players outside Bundesliga that teams, other than Bayern, can buy. Buying from your league is the most common and natural thing to do for two reasons: You can see a player performing week in week out. If they are already successful in Germany (for example), it means that adaptation period would be minimal. There is a minimal risk of player becoming homesick and all those off the field issues that often happen. Culture, climite, altitude,.. they all play a part
Bayern is buying like "drunk millionaire" at the moment. If you don't accept my words, observe Effenberg, who said, that Bayern will buy bus drivers for 5 millions of euros. Instead of buying de Bruyne, Bayern buys Lucas Hernandez for 90 millions USD, for LB player. Now Kovac wants to buy entire French NT. They are great indeed, buy they can't last more than 5 years. At first Hasan Salihamidzic brought Niko Kovac as his friend. Now Salihamidzic says, that he wants to know some answers. Now he is making distance from Niko. I hoped that Bayern will win the title easy. But defeat against Liverpool and draw against Freiburg is really something bad. I don't like Balkan nepotism, especially if I don't see the value. Salihamidzic - sports director. On what ground, reference? Niko Kovac needs to coach clubs between 5th and 10th position. He doesn't have authority like other great coaches. After 27th round, Bayern is second, without Champions League and they passed barely in German cup against Heidenheim, 6th place in the Second German league.
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There are so many but honestly I still say Gred Muller, Rest In Peace is the best striker because he has the record. If Lewandowski finishes his career at Bayern and stays healthy for the next 5-6 seasons, he will have a shot at it.
Lewandowski does have a chance to break dier Bomber's record but two things have to happen. 1- We have to assume that Lewandowski is going to resign and finish his career out with Bayern. 2- We have to assume for the next about 5 seasons, he will continue at this pace. He needs to score about 40 goals a game for the next five seasons, to have a chance. It is difficult but it is not an impossible record to beat. #9 also needs to have some luck fall on his side and he can't have a major injury.
Hanging in my office, not only he is the best striker in the game or best footballer, what a humble guy. He met all of my friends at the Las Vegas Bayern Munich club and I have friends in LA as well so we met up with them. He also gave me and my fiance from Bulgaria an authentic jersey, just so we could wear it. He is one of the coolest and nicest, most humble footballers you will ever met. I must say I did bump into Killian M'Bappe, he was very charming and nice, signed my Germany jersey(lol I know kind of weird but you are not going to NOT get his autograph). I would say he is the # 2 right next to our beloved #9.