Unjust integration? Who are you sitting if you want to play Roldan? Wes, Tyler? Roldan isn't that great, I'm sorry. I really am. He's made a nice career for himself in Seattle.
I think it's time we move our expectations. I know we've had the worst generation ever so this may be hard but the truth is that we have now four guys who have had BL minutes at or before 20 years old. Also, there is good reason to suppose that Tyler Adams will be the fifth. Pulisic level talent is the new plateau, not the peak. Good MLS starter is no longer enough to expect an NT call up. Every year that passes will make this more obvious.
that is my point he said he might be the best player on what might be the best team in mls the last few years...he isn't describing roldan accurately at all.
you have to consider the competition. mls is terrible you can't get caught up on guys looking good in poor leagues. There isn't a special scheme that could make some of the guys look good and there is no way good as a group. I mean to make Besler look good you'd need a back four with the other three being elite and two elite pivots in front of him to protect him and handle the ball..the us doesn't have that.
100%. The players are pushed to play at higher levels now, which is great. I have nothing against Roldan, I just think that he doesn't have a place. There are too many better players, playing in better leagues. He's not that good lol.
He's been great at the level he's currently at. Beloved by Seattle's fans and manager. They're perennially one of the best teams in the league. Won club POY in '17. WS rating was 6th in league. This year made the sacrifice to play his 5th best position and still was one of their better players, ranking 3rd on the team, and 31st overall. Made major contributions in 1st leg of playoffs before getting injured. Seattle crumbled without him. #1 American in WS rating in '17, #3 American in '18. There are a plethora of players below him who have been integrated to the NT and looked like they belonged. That sort of excellence on one level should earn you significant opportunities to gauge if you can be successful on the next, logically. Club-wise, that almost always involves integration into the national team 1st. Name me an example of one non virtual teen in the last 10 years where someone from MLS got rescued from the league in spite of not being a regular national teamer 1st? It just doesn't happen. They look for that international sample to justify a multi-million dollar transfer fee realistically required. He hasn't gotten that chance for a good reason. Two caps with significant minutes, one out of season and out of position. That's crazy. \ Where are we going to find the minutes? You named 2 guys. You need about 6 for a 433/451 cm depth chart. And Adams might even be required at fb the way DeAndre and our lb's are performing now. Acosta is eating up numerous time and he has sucked in MLS comparatively to Roldan. Also been pedestrian for the NT. You could say similar things about Wil Trapp now. "Our best players are in Europe" was a very telling statement. MLS and Europe are not monoliths that define players positively or negatively, especially when, under the right circumstances which has a lot of luck factor involved, one minute you're in the maligned category and next the adored or vice versa.
Roldan WS rating in '17: 6th in MLS, Trapp's: 140th Roldan in '18 (playing out of position as winger): 31st in MLS, Trapp: 155th Roldan club POY for a team who made the finals. Trapp Humanitarian of the Year. One is an outstanding MLS player, the other just an MLS starter who is a nice guy. They are false equivalents. Roldan also projects better to the national team because he's a ball-winner, has a high work-rate, decent mobility, plays well on the counter, makes smart runs, can dribble, is a good crosser/ball striker from distances, and is versatile. Important when the U.S. is so often playing without the ball to get it, go, and make something happen. And to have total footballers when attrition happens. Trapp is a luxury 6 who can't win the ball but you can play thru to build up your attack slowly. How often is a player like that useful to the vast majority of teams on a high level, let alone the US? Maybe I'm wrong, but Trapp has gotten those opportunities. So has Acosta. And they've failed. So he can just replace them in the interim, in cm, not at wing, and we can find out the truth. You evaluated Dest and Servania from youth national teams. It's not like you even said you've long liked Aaron Long.
You don't play players based on where they play, on how prestigious their club or league is. That's a video game mentality. A real coach plays players based on what he needs for the system he uses. I expect Berhalter to do that, and not just play someone because he had some minutes in a top league.
He's an off year Gold Cup kind of player. He isn't getting minutes this summer. Bolded - there are plenty of examples of players "earning a club move" without NT caps, they just don't exist in America because... the players who aren't good enough to play for our average NT aren't good enough to play in a bigger league. Roldan isn't good enough YET. He's not good enough to start or play any significant minutes for the NT if its not at an off year Gold Cup. I'm taking Wes, Tyler, Trapp, MB, Acosta, Delgado, Canouse to play in those center spots before Roldan.
its not that simple though obviously a coach should play who fits his system but when comparing two players you have to consider the competition. a good performance in a bad league can be misleading.
The U.S. coincidentally just happens to be (about) the only country with a single-entity and partial collegiate system. It also has the built-in disadvantages of being across the pond from where the action happens and a small % of the players possessing EU passports for freedom of movement w/in the continent. The sub-elite countries in the Americas have proportionate problems relative to restrictive rules and NT success. Look at Peru's and Paraguay's club affiliations. Not impressive either. Uruguay's was before they went to the semis and built a reputation. The national team manager's word is not gospel, see: Holden, Cameron, Besler, Mastroeni, etc. So it's not like if you were good enough you'd be integrated within a few years and playing in Europe already. That's not reality. It's case-by-case. Half those players Roldan owns in MLS. But you're locked in with a perception they're still better and he's an off year Gold Cup'er ahead of time without seeing what transpires with minutes commensurate to club performance. Condemnation before examination.
I'll just take your last quote... There is no way Roldan is 5 times better than Trapp, there is just no way and I'm no Trapp fan. I wonder if GB will take those numbers into account.
That stat doesn't suggest he's 5 times better. Just that he's ranked 5 times higher (last year it was 23 times higher). But that equates the degree he's better by their metric is 8+%. Which is a lot for pro footballers within the same league. You're looking to get an edge on your opposition, 8+% is worth a few of them. I don't know if Berhalter factors in metrics. He's a dinosaur if he doesn't. Should at least be a jumping off point. But in so far as the competition between him and Trapp, I'm not optimistic Roldan gets a fair shake again considering he didn't just play for Gregg. That goes similarly for Bradley since Berhalter is an insider. Played for Bruce, and hell with Mikey a little for the national team. Maybe he gets a fair shake against Acosta, but hell it's like USS preordained him.
ranked five times higher? five times better? its a list everyone gets a score its not a percentage of success or anything like that. reading this is hilarious roldan isn't five times better and he isn't 8% better because you can't give a percentage on any metric to show how much better a player is.
if he starts roldan he should be fired and if he makes decisions based on arbitrary metrics then its going to a be a short appointment.
Stewart specifically mentioned the use of metrics as one of the requirements in the search for the NT coach. Metrics at this point in time have reached a maturity to the point that they provide various useful metrics. Particularly in scouting and evaluating players to see if they fit a certain role.
Why would anyone make decisions on "arbitrary" metrics? ar·bi·trar·y /ˈärbəˌtrerē/ adjective based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system. example in 2014 Jurgen Klinsmann made an arbitrary decision to select Julian Green over Landon Donovan.
2022 WORLD CUP Berhalter's approach impresses Precourt, more insider notes By GRANT WAHL November 07, 2013 Columbus Crew owner Anthony Precourt is impressed by new manager Gregg Berhalter's progressive approach and is planning a club rebranding for 2015. (Jason Mowry/Icon SMI) Some insider notes from the soccer world: • The Columbus Crew named Gregg Berhalter its new head coach and sporting director on Wednesday, and I spoke to owner Anthony Precourt on the phone about it soon after the announcement. One of the most interesting things Precourt said was he liked Berhalter’s data-driven approach, explaining that Berhalter broke down the current Columbus team from a macro level by examining the allocation of its cap space toward different positions and the return the club has been getting on its investment in those players. “He’s progressive,” Precourt said of Berhalter. “He also analyzed passing accuracy and goals-against and a number of different metrics in terms of players’ return on investment. As it relates to our performance on the field, he believes in using GPS and monitoring players’ health and all the scientific things you can do to take care of our players. He’s very analytical and has a detailed plan.” When I asked Precourt if he was concerned that Berhalter was fired a few months ago from a Swedish second-division team that’s 49 percent owned by AEG honcho Phil Anschutz (Hammarby), Precourt said he certainly considered that, but he pointed out that coaches like Jurgen Klinsmann and Bruce Arena have been fired as well in their coaching careers and weren’t written off because of it. In fact, Precourt said he was so impressed with Berhalter that he decided to give him total control over the Crew’s soccer decisions.
jk didn't like donovan...thats the reason it wasn't based on a metric, random choice or a personal whim.
using data to back up reasoning is different then 'I didn't watch the match or haven't seen them play but Roldan had a higher ws rating so I am starting Roldan regardless of him looking very average on the pitch'. It also is very different then 'I don't know how they calculate ws but I will use it to decide my lineup because it says roldan is better'.