The Red Baron: Josh Sargent at Norwich City

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  1. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    some of you guys make me laugh. you waste precious oxygen worrying about something slight from a century ago and yet say nothing to the negatives in front of you.

    anyway I predict Josh gets an assist in his next match.
     
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  2. wixson7

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    May 12, 2009
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    Haji may even score more than CP. Sad face.
     
  3. BostonRed

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    Oct 9, 2011
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  4. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
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    Clinical, he turned his body to deceive the keeper into thinking he was going far post with his right, before last split-second slipping it inside the near post with his left as he'd increased the angle to shoot at.

    Really committed to pressuring the back-line and keeper. Caused near turnovers and plenty of long balls. Coach would appreciate that.

    Could improve in the area of anticipation as a pass recipient. Right now more reactive in the department. One reason why he doesn't get on the ball much. Some crafty hold-up when he actually did.
     
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  5. BostonRed

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  6. WheezingUSASupport

    Dortmund
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    Aug 28, 2017
    Man glad I saw it live.

    He may become the best finisher in USMNT history if he keeps it up.

    The winter break will do him well to help him gel with his teammates.
     
  7. punintended_13

    punintended_13 Member+

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    Mar 22, 2010
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    When you realize you kept your most efficient goal scorer on the bench for 6 months and made him play in the 5th division because you didn't think he was ready but he's already halfway to having the most goals of any of your strikers after playing less than 50 total minutes
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  8. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    That’s such bull crap. They outfought outher teams to sign him and bringing him along quickly. They don’t want to give him more than he can handle
     
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  9. punintended_13

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    It's a joke bud. Lighten up
     
  10. PalmettoSpur

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    Oct 21, 2015
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    I’m happy with Sargent’s current position at Bremen. Give him 20-30 minutes a game and reward him with the occasional start. Keep him hungry and keep his legs fresh, but put him in position to gain experience and make a real impact. Tuchel did it beautifully with Pulisic in his first season. I hope Kohfeldt follows a similar plan.
     
  11. frankburgers

    frankburgers Member+

    May 31, 2016
    Sargent is the biggest forward prospect in the history of the USMNT.

    You can say another name, you’d be wrong.

    This player has scored quickly, efficiently, and a lot at every level he’s been in. Just high quality in the final third.
     
  12. m vann

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    Agreed. This scenario is better than being thrown into the fire like Hadji Wright. I realize the circumstances are completely different but you can clearly see Sargent was prepped for this and the manager has confidence throwing him into a game without fear of looking like he’s out of place. Yeah sure a debut would have been nice months ago but Bremen has done it right. Their vision was better than ours.
     
  13. punintended_13

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    Mar 22, 2010
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    Eh. At the club level, sure. But Jozy Altidore scored a goal in 2009 to beat the European champions Spain to put us in the Confederations Cup final, the same Spain that won the WC in 2010 and another Euro in 2012. We beat them in a competitive game in the middle of one of the strongest national team runs in history, and Jozy was a big part of that and only 19. Josh hasn't done that for the NT yet.

    Edit: just to clarify, I think Josh is a better prospect, but that hype around Jozy was huge.
     
  14. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
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    So if my calculations are correct:

    Jozy: 2 goals in 70 Prem games
    Sargent: 2 goals in 3 Bund games

    It isn't just the goal, it's his full package. He held it up originally in midfield and plays it wide, then makes the perfect run down the flank into the box, followed by the finishing composure he's shown at every level. And that's confidence, going first time off your left.

    He doesn't waste touches. High IQ/awareness.
     
  15. shnaggletooth

    shnaggletooth Member+

    Jun 23, 2002
    Really liked how he started the whole thing at midfield and then knew instinctively to follow the play and get into position to receive the final pass. Sargent's got a Dempsey-like feel for the game.
     
  16. frankburgers

    frankburgers Member+

    May 31, 2016
    There’s no shame in Jozy being the second biggest forward prospect!
     
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  17. largegarlic

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    Jul 2, 2007
    That's a good call. I was ready to agree that Sargent is the best forward prospect we've ever had, and he might still be, but Altidore was justifiably hyped when he came on the scene and scored a big transfer to Villareal.

    I will say for Sargent that I can't think of a more clinical finisher the US has ever produced other than Dempsey. I've said this before, but Sargent just seems to have that elite striker's intuition about the exact type of shot that is required to score in a given situation. It doesn't have to always be pretty or a rocket to the upper-90; it just has to end up in the net.
     
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  18. thedukeofsoccer

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    That's an unfalsifiable theory, and one that doesn't stand up to the evidence. Sargent has succeeded everywhere and much earlier than expected in some cases. Nothing to suggest he wouldn't have done the same if integrated earlier.

    Whereas Wright didn't aid Cosmos nor Sandhausen and was not even proven at the youth international level above u-17's. If anything he's performed better than expected for Schalke's 1st team, even if still poorly. Nothing to suggest throwing him into the fire had an adverse impact.
     
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  19. thedukeofsoccer

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    Jozy had some warranted hype too, and imo ended up underwhelming because of a poor mentality not lack of talent. Don't remember if there was much of that perspective at the time. I think his attitude was pretty good at Hull, outside occasional petulance and choking on his few opportunities.

    I have a hard time seeing Sargent fail due to mindset. If anything it would be physical ability. Although I would classify it as sufficient. As far as scoring in a big official comp, not sure how he was supposed to do that considering we've had a long gap between them. And if that's your one-sample criteria, then Julian Green should also be in the conversation. That's why you don't draw your opinion from small samples. At least Sargent has already duplicated his tally at a top level, in addition to all his youth achievements.
     
  20. m vann

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    #1670 m vann, Dec 22, 2018
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    You may missed were I said the circumstances were different between the two. All I meant was I’m much happier seeing Sargent worked in slowly as opposed to just throwing him out there. Simple as that. Nothing more nothing less. Nowhere did I say he couldn’t have integrated earlier with the same ease and effect. i think could have, BTW. So many of us have been impatient and for months and months and months screamed for his inclusion and now there’s some have a “F you Bremen should have done it earlier” attitude. I’m just loving that the kid’s making the most of his opportunity. Like you elluded to, he’s done that at every level. So it’s almost expected.
     
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  21. chrisdon72

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    Feb 23, 2000
    Worth noting the keeper Josh beat, Pavlenka, is first choice for Czech Republic and was MOTM last month when they beat Poland.
     
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  22. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
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    Nice goal by Josh. Can't say that I'm surprised though. His ceiling is by far, the highest of our forwards born in the year 2000.

    Next year we get to see what Soto and Ferreira can do.
     
  23. Three and Three

    Three and Three Member+

    Sep 13, 2015
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    And like an infant, Jozy removed his jersey during the celebration and was shown the yellow.
     
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  24. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Just is 11years older. Compare Jozy at 18 to Josh now. It would be more fair
     
  25. ShaftBrewer

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    Jul 18, 2017
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    Pavlenka is the Bremen keeper.
     

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