And sometimes u have to think about these 1997, 1998 and 2001 kids VS French, English, Portugese n Spanish kids as well Our 4th best striker in the 1998 age group is Warschewski/Amenyido/Stark 1997 our 3rd best strikers were among: Owusu, Reese, Iyoha, Putaro hows that competitive? huh? We simply have very poor groups of players in 1997 n 1998, and u cant say they are good enough. U have to look at the bigger picture and compare with other countries. We are piss poor in those age groups Even Scandinavian countries and Eastern Europe are porducing better talents than Germany in certain age groups. and u dont see a problem? Saying they should start playing regularly in 1BL ? Christ sake U need a reality check
like last week you said you thought Daferner would make 1BL now you say he's 2BL level? the strength of the 97-98 isn't in strikers, doesn't mean the rest is horrible. Besides even those age groups we didn't have our best strikers in tournaments and were missing players too. Besides I think that 1BL is filled with mediocre or meh players even the foreign ones too. To make it seem like it's only German is wrong. I also don't take youth tournaments as a signal to rate age groups. Too many factors play a role to judge a whole age group. At the end of the day it's what the players does at club that counts. you don't think anything will come out of 99-00-02? If you think it's 03-onwards?
I know Kuntz and company talked about course correction that will take 3-4 years. But what exactly are these corrections planned?
Who were the missing players? Jojo/Serra/Daferner were injured. And the best we had were Warschewski/Amenyido/Stark......... 1997? I think since Teuchert was out, everyone is irrelevant. Knoll might be slightly better than others but Iyoha, Putaro Reese, Arweiler were like our best ALREADy. Rather idsgusting
As Slaven Skeledzic has told me, they have started to implement more on individual training starting this season. I think other than BAyern, that also applied on other teams. Not just focusing too much on tactics and possessional play. but more on individual skillset. But this takes times...........and thats how Guardiola brought to Germany I think youngsters shouldnt be limited by tactics at young age, possession oriented will make them focusing too much on certain skills (pass n move, pressing, ball control) but ignoring others (dribbling, winning duels, heading, one-on-one defense). Also give youngsters less freedom to showcase their talents
I'm talking about missing non strikers, players injured or left out for whatever reason count as missing. Both 97 and 98 had missing players. Can't really recall any recent tournament where Germany played with the best possible players.
I think 1999 is ok, 2000 u have a few good ones like Arp, Yeboah, Herrmann, Burkardt, Mai, Jastrzembski,Malone, Mbom and co. ITs not saying we have mediocre in 1BL, u are comparing our talents with other countries And i do think England, Portugal, Spain n France have more interesting prospects than Germany in many age groups now. They are like bright talents who can make a difference by themselves. For example, talent like Foden isnt getting many chances in Man City this season, but if he comes to BL, he is easily one of the best young midfielders here in Germany. EASILY (i rate him higher than Sancho even) The core issue is, we have to produce better talents. Your logic is like "mediocre can also make the league" , thats a wrong thinking. We should produce better talents and make our young players competitive. You dont want just mediocre in the league, and we shouldnt expect the league have the same ambition as well. So the only thing to do is to improve our youth system which sucked for years. 2002 or 2003 looks slightly better, but still not enough 2001 is the worse age group, probably worse than 1997. So i cant say 2002 is the turning point yet
I think there are more than that for 00 and even 99. my point about mediocre was that the league is filled with mediocre players to begin with. Nothing to do with it means that we should produce mediocre players. Just saying even with the foreign love fest, a huge amount of those players are mediocre. 1BL doesn't have high standards. Every single club in Germany has mediocre players.
when it comes to youth NT. The only relevant one is U21 NT that's it. The rest should be more about experience. besides one should remember there are no age groups in Senior NT. Let's say for example you produce 10 strikers that are good enough to make the 1BL from 3 age groups that are close to each other. That's not a huge gap, those players will all block each other. just take for example strikers. 98-J.Eggestein, Serra, Daferner (rated by Freiburg according to Bild) 99-D.Otto, Musel, Kruger, 00-Arp, Malone, Hottmann, Herrmann I left it incomplete on purpose to get 10 strikers only. One can easily add more 99-00 strikers. There is no age gap between these players.1-2 years difference is nothing. On top of that they are also very close in age to 01-03 strikers or even 97-lower. That's not a bad thing.
Things will change in the league, thats the ambition of getting the league better. One days most mediocres will be eliminated.......... and better talents will play Thats how Bundesliga can improve. We cant just say "the league have mediocres anyway, so we can be content n produce more 1997/1998/2001ers" no our talents are way beyond France, England, Portugal and Spain from my observations. Even Italy, i saw some amazing talents coming through We shall improve our talents level. our youth system. Not saying shit like "they can still play in bundesliga even they arent good talents, because the league have many mediocre too!" Thats a signal of content and nothing will improve. Our players n the league I dont think Dilrosun, Sancho, Upamecano, Zagadou, Jovic, Haller and co. are average talents at all. In fact they were very highly rated in their own countries before they joined BL. BL will look for higher quality talents/players, if they wanna improve, if we still fail to produce better talents, they wont be compeititve enough to play in the league. Thats a reality in basically every industry in the world. First, we needa produce much better quality talents before we blame others. France, England and Portugal are doing it perfectly, and i think we have ourselves to blame 1BL arent going to play mediocres forever, the standard will improve and our talents need to be mroe competitive
but who says the league will improve? A lot of these clubs don't have the $$$ to get better. And a lot of others trying to invest are just wasting money on players who they think are good but aren't. I never once said we should be content with current things. You still don't get my point. what I find illogical is clubs complain about missing elements in players. Yet they are the ones training those players to begin with. They should complain about themselves and their own coaching. They only got themselves to blame.
sheesh you still make it seem like 1BL is just for talents. Any consistant or hard working player has no place in the league which makes 0 sense. even EPL, La Liga and Serie A have mediocre players. No league is nothing but talents or amazing players all over.
IT will be if Bundesliga wanna improve their rankings n standard (coefficient point) Since German clubs have less $$$ , they will find the best young talents since they have the raw talents, cheap even unproven. thats the ony way for the league to survive. Dont pretend that our league are aiming for mediocres forever, with such less capital, there are only two options; cheap bright talents or cheap average proven players. the way for our players to emerge in the league are to become better talents than French, English n Spanish n Portugese........there is no privilege or short cut. They have to find all these missed elements and develop in better talents/ players. U can tell easily that English n French are superior than Germans now because they are trained all round. And German usually are late bloomers historically. Many examples like Miro Klose n Jonas Hector, but that cant be the norm in future
I think its the fans who are blaming the league for not playing youth talents. But i watched many 1997, 1998 and 2001 games. I think there are 5-6 players in these age groups who is capable to start in 1BL REGULARLY. thats all. Pathetic
I hate to admit it but our youngsters are mediocre talents. I would say 99% in the 1997, 1998 or 2001 age group U dont expect them to start regularly in the league if this league wanna become competitive I hate to admit that England, Spain, France, Portuga and Italy are producing better talents than ours. A lot more quality AND quantity. What is the fundamental issues? Not the 1BL for not playing young talents, but our lack of talented youngsters
you make it sound like 1BL is like #8 in Europe or something and not in top 4. Ligue 1 isn't overtaking us. besides your the one who keeps saying clubs only promote 1-2 players per age group but you seem to expect something like 50+ players per age group to make it in a league with 18 teams. all leagues in Europe are full of mediocre players to pretend it's just 1BL is laughable. You think any player who plays in EPL means they are top talents, lol. And England spend a ton more money on players than Germany does. Some EPL clubs have just a few decent/good talents the rest is mediocre. Consistency/hard working players on top of players who have experience still play a role in any league. even clubs like Bayern, RB, Dortmund etc have mediocre players in their squads. guy says our talent are mediocre and only looks at 3 age groups and that's it. If you have 1-2 bad age groups that our surrounded by better age groups. 95-96, 99-00, 02-onwards are a ton better, it's not the end of the world. Even from the 97, 98, 01, there are still plenty of good prospects, that you can take.
given the limited number of clubs most players of any age group will be forced to go to lower levels than 1BL. Plenty of different reasons for that, some players lack of space in 1st team, others because they promoted someone else, which doesn't mean they are bad. Other ones to get experience. Others because there was too many prospects in 1 club. Some U19 or U17 clubs one feels there are more than 2 interesting players but they won't all be promoted. your still judging age groups of players who are still youth players. How about judging the 97 in a few years when they are closer to mid 20s and not now? 98 are youth eligible next U21 cycle on top of that. Yet you judge as if it's a given based mostly on U19 NT results. It's funny that you have nothing against 99, yet the 99 failed to make the U19 Euro which neither the 97 nor 98 failed to do so. Sure you can blame the coach (it's his fault) for his experimental lineup in an Elite Round game vs Norway as to why but results wise they still failed, isn't that the logic. Bad youth results no matter the reason and age group is terrible by default mentality? The 97 were bad in 2017 U20 WC, but 3 players that were called up were pretty much left out because they were busy with 2BL relegation playoff and another was injured. And those players could have easily have helped the team be better, Even past winning youth tournaments, one always sees that vast majority of players on winning teams don't end up being anything special once they get to pro level. And other players only do well in youth levels too.
anyways, looks like Florian Baak is injured/unfit so won't be there this weekend. Talk about wasted chances, on top of another 99 in Kade also injured.It would explain why Lustenberger was reported to possibly be playing CB. I think we seriously have a youth injury issue in Germany.
I agree we aren’t producing as much as I like but you are exaggerating. Where are these mega talents from countries like Spain and Portugal?
well things like 50+1 limit money for tons of clubs in Germany. Otherwise Germany would be filled with foreign investors and even shady ones as well. You take away 50+1 and 1BL would have turned out like EPL ages ago, or even Serie A who barely play domestic players. Lack of money is why clubs still use U19 players promotion and reserve players.
some of the players is more lack of chances than talent too. looks like Baku is getting closer to returning from injury. Look who's back in training 😄👍Good to have you back, Ridle!#UpTheMainz pic.twitter.com/6HCs586zts— Mainz 05 English (@Mainz05en) December 7, 2018
After beating Italy U21 and the Dutch U21. Next up for the German U21 are friendlies vs France and England in March. These are the last games before the Summer U21 Euros. Arne Maier is honored with EPL links and prefers Man U over Arsenal but isn't in a rush to leave Hertha anytime soon. http://www.insidefutbol.com/2018/12...hester-united-preference-over-arsenal/400392/ besides stupid for anyone to play for Man U as long as Mourinho is there.
@Karl-Heinz Riedle what do you think of dfb promoting the same coach that failed to qualify the 99 to the U19 Euros. MEIKEL SCHÖNWEITZ NEW CHEFTRAINER U-NATIONAL TEAMS OF MEN Meikel Schönweitz becomes head coach of the men's national teams. In his new role, which includes the elite promotion, quality management in the junior area and the accompaniment of all men's national teams, the 38-year-old will take over on January 1, 2019 also the tasks of outgoing sports director Horst Hrubesch, the end of the year in retired. Oliver Bierhoff, Director of National Teams and Academy, says: "I am pleased that with Meikel Schönweitz we have been able to recruit a highly competent coach for this key position." Over the past few months, we have continued to develop the sport-relevant topics in a more convincing manner that we need a head coach for all male U-nationals to take care of their sporting needs, and in his new role, Meikel Schönweitz will help us achieve our goals, we want the young players as well as our coaches and teams We would like to express our special thanks and best regards Horst Hrubesch, who excelled all German football with his expertise and experience in various tasks over several years led. " Horst Hrubesch, who last worked as national coach for the women's national team and has previously looked after the U-national teams in various areas of responsibility, says: "Meikel has already brought a breath of fresh air into the work of the junior teams in recent years, and I'm happy for him He's the right cast for this new role. " Meikel Schönweitz has worked for the DFB since 2014 and was already responsible for all teams from the U 16 to the U 20 as a coach. As Sporting Director of the U 21- to U 15 national teams and member of numerous committees as well as initiator of many projects anchored in the field of training, he is well acquainted with the structure of the DFB, the league, the junior performance centers and the regional associations. Previously, the 38-year-old worked for the Bundesliga 1. FSV Mainz 05 and the Hessian Football Association. He also looks back on activities in elite schools of football and in the talent promotion program of the DFB and on a total of 25 years as a trainer on club and selection level. Meikel Schoenweitz says: "Thanks to Oliver Bierhoff and Joti Chatzialexiou for their trust in me, I approach my new job with great joy and motivation We in Germany claim to be the best in the world and we have the potential to do so. We have to develop players who live up to this claim and it is our job to guide the players along the way and bring them up to the highest level of their respective age group, and I look forward to continuing with the athletes in charge of this exciting field League, the national associations, the clubs and the junior centers of excellence, always in the spirit of individual promotion and development of our players. " As head coach of the male U-national teams Meikel Schönweitz reports to Joti Chatzialexiou. The sports director national teams says: "In addition to the strategic and conceptual sporting focus in the DFB, our aim is to continuously develop our coaches in particular." We also want to continue to promote the sporting mission statement and the game concept orientation in our national teams We are convinced that the development of trainers in the system is of enormous importance, and in recent years I have worked together with Meikel Schönweitz on many projects and know that we have been able to recruit an outstanding specialist for this position. " https://www.dfb.de/news/detail/meik...eftrainer-u-nationalteams-der-maenner-196646/
Well I know he failed to make the elite round But from the interview, he seemed to know the problems german Football are currently facing So we better see how he does. Maybe he isn’t the best coach but better at planning n development. We have to see I wouldn’t say bringing in Wintzheimer is stupid, but I have no idea why he likes Yari Otto so much