New Manager + New Technical Director

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  1. Hodori

    Hodori Member+

    Aug 12, 2010
    Probably... Or at least one of the few...

    Not unless you offered a lot of money and a 2+2 deal with flexibility to live part time in Europe.

    Not likely at all...
     
  2. Ceezy

    Ceezy Member

    Jun 10, 2014
    Yeah, at least Bento has some recent top tournament experience.
     
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  3. skim172

    skim172 Member+

    Feb 20, 2013
    I accept that - I'm disappointed, but I'm fine with someone who's not a great foreign manager. I recognize the Korea National Team is not really a plum job for an aspiring foreign manager. We were unlikely to get anyone who was proven good, just guys who were sort of mediocre or a mixed bag.

    But Bento is a bad foreign manager. Who has a track record of being bad. And especially bad when he's not coaching in Portugal (and doesn't have superior talent to hide his flaws). I'm mystified that this guy is even a candidate for any national side.
     
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  4. aeh1991

    aeh1991 Member+

    Dec 16, 2015
    Club:
    FC Augsburg
    Then we should've gone for Juande Ramos or Halil
     
  5. zeke714

    zeke714 Member

    Aug 9, 2018
    After crashing out with the best squad Portugal had produced in the Euros, he stayed a few months in Brazil, Greece and China leagues respectively after a series of getting sacked and resignation. If that doesn't give a warning sign, I don't know what will honestly.
     
  6. Seol Korea

    Seol Korea Member+

    Jun 24, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    I'm more surprised that Kim Pan-gon even listed CQ as top candidate when his footballing style and philosophy doesn't suit our team, plus he has a long history of failures with Portugal than Bento did. Again, not saying that I am content with Bento(Disappointed that Quique wasn't it), but I'm willing to bite down and see what he can do for two years before making constructive criticisms.
     
  7. smrmgmd

    smrmgmd Member

    Apr 13, 2016
    Club:
    Manchester United FC

    Can't speak for his stint with Brazil, but he did okay with Olympiacos. He got fired because he had some trouble with the board not because he did bad as a manager.

    As for his stint in China, you got to give him benefit of the doubt. He didn't manage some mega billionaire clubs with foreign players like Hulk. He managed a team that just came up from the second division and was a relegation candidate. From what I read at Korean website, he didn't get enough fund to buy players and change the team. And he also beat Stielike with a relegation candidate team. Well, that''s a positive lol.
     
  8. jessypjs

    jessypjs Member+

    May 3, 2010
    Club:
    AS Monaco FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    I agree that his career is not impressive but I don't get one point : Why it should be easier to coach a team in China than in any other league in the world ?
     
  9. skim172

    skim172 Member+

    Feb 20, 2013
    #1784 skim172, Aug 16, 2018
    Last edited: Aug 16, 2018
    Not necessarily easier - just that in a practical sense, seven months is a very short time to hire and fire a manager. Considering the cost, the logistics, the bureaucracy, the paperwork, the amount of work involved to hire someone, then fire them right after, and scramble to find another person to replace them - it's just not easy to get that all done so quickly. Most clubs might just eat the lost season and take the rest of the season to line up a replacement and then formally sever the relationship. Unless you're in a place where there's immense pressure to win now, now, now - and I don't think most places in China would be.

    I think we'd all get fired as managers in China within a year - but I think half of us would last longer than 7 months, purely due to the paperwork and bureaucracy required.
     
  10. Seol Korea

    Seol Korea Member+

    Jun 24, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Honestly though, if Quique wasn't it, then we should've gone for Vahid, but Kim Pan-gon wasn't going to risk doing that.
     
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  11. zeke714

    zeke714 Member

    Aug 9, 2018
    On 11 August 2016, Bento became the head coach of Superleague Greece title holders Olympiacos FC.[33] He was sacked on 6 March 2017 with the team seven points clear at the top of the table and qualified for the semi-finals of the domestic cup and last 16 of the Europa League,[34] mainly due to a string of poor performances in official competitions, a three-game losing streak in the league with no goals scored and various press conference comments targeting the "weakness" of certain squad members and the roster as a whole.[35]

    He makes excuses just like Stielike. Blames the players instead of himself. LOL
     
  12. killaorca

    killaorca Member+

    AFC Ajax
    May 11, 2010
    Pacific Ocean
    Club:
    RSC Anderlecht
    One thing I don't get about KFA is handing manager 4 years contract. Isn't it better to hand out 2+2 just in case shit happens?
     
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  13. aeh1991

    aeh1991 Member+

    Dec 16, 2015
    Club:
    FC Augsburg
    Best would have been to hire an interim for the Asian Cup and go all in for Gunes when his contract ends next summer. Someone who obviously cares about Korean football.
     
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  14. zeke714

    zeke714 Member

    Aug 9, 2018
    Risk what? Vahid managed one of the best Algerian side I've seen at the WC. He deserves it way more than this nobody.
     
  15. smrmgmd

    smrmgmd Member

    Apr 13, 2016
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Wasn't going to happen. He got sacked from a rival team. Hiring someone sacked from a rival team not only hurts the pride, but you will have Japanese media going berserk if Vahid loses even a single match saying stuff like "this is what Korea gets for hiring someone sacked by Japan, was this really the right choice?"
     
  16. zeke714

    zeke714 Member

    Aug 9, 2018
    Japan had to use an ethnic Korean to win their Asian Cup. The inferiority of the islanders are present and known. Just look at our wins and losses against them. :)
     
  17. Seol Korea

    Seol Korea Member+

    Jun 24, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    If it's for 4 years, then the contract has to be good including money, and most European managers won't manage for more than 2 years unless a satisfactory season performance that will see a possible contract extension. Quique is a journeyman, so he's obviously not looking to ride out a full 4 year contract, plus he would want a bit more money considering the low merit being the AFC. I don't know how Japan does it, but they manage to keep foreign managers for full 4 years, except Osim and Halilhodzic.
     
  18. Seol Korea

    Seol Korea Member+

    Jun 24, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    That's why I said "risk" captain obvious.
     
  19. killaorca

    killaorca Member+

    AFC Ajax
    May 11, 2010
    Pacific Ocean
    Club:
    RSC Anderlecht
    Lol now I definitely know you're Concernedk.
     
  20. killaorca

    killaorca Member+

    AFC Ajax
    May 11, 2010
    Pacific Ocean
    Club:
    RSC Anderlecht
    4 years give more security to managers because they'll get 4 years salary even if they get fired, so I don't get why KFA is so adament about giving 4 years contract.
     
  21. smrmgmd

    smrmgmd Member

    Apr 13, 2016
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    #1796 smrmgmd, Aug 16, 2018
    Last edited: Aug 16, 2018
    Forget the "excuse." With the way you say it, one would think he got fired after putting Olympiacos at relegation table. Geez. He was 7 points clear at the top of the table according to your quote and the team won the league because he put the team there before getting sacked. Semi-final of domestic cup and round 16 of Europa is a good accomplishment. You had teams like Man United and Schalke in 16-17 Europa. You were never gonna win it with Olympiacos.

    Guess what happened to Olympiacos the year after he got fired? 3rd in the league and playing in Europa qualifiers.
     
  22. Seol Korea

    Seol Korea Member+

    Jun 24, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Short answer: WCQs.
     
  23. zeke714

    zeke714 Member

    Aug 9, 2018
    It can be X Country and he was managing for a few months and got sacked. What difference would it make? He's still a terrible candidate.
     
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  24. killaorca

    killaorca Member+

    AFC Ajax
    May 11, 2010
    Pacific Ocean
    Club:
    RSC Anderlecht
    The best possible solution is to get an interim manager (most likely STY :sick:), and hire Kim Jongboo after the Asian Cup. But that won't happen because STY won't take interim position, his ego won't allow it.
     
  25. Seol Korea

    Seol Korea Member+

    Jun 24, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    4 years of misery under Shin Tae-yong if the KFA were to extend his contract, yet the insurmountable amount of excuses would still be flowing from his mouth upon failure. You can give him 10 years for the matter, and it will still be shit under his tenure. I'm glad he is finally gone.
     

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