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Discussion in 'AS Roma' started by DDR, Feb 19, 2013.

  1. cromagnum

    cromagnum Member+

    Aug 13, 2007
    Inter is going to be very good this season. Modric is not happening but that's still a ver good midfield. If Brozovic can continue his excellent second half season form Inter can challenge for Juventus for the serie a title this season. Bench is a bit weak but starting 11 is really strong so need to stay healthy.
     
  2. CoolMan33

    CoolMan33 Guest

    I believe any purchases made now count towards next year. I believe that currently Inter is limited when it comes to registering players. For example, they can only register around 90 million worth o purchases in the last years. So as an example, Nainggolan (38), Politano (5), Lautaro Martinez (25), Skriniar (23) would cover that. Meaning Inter cannot register Gagliardini (28 million) as it exceeds that value. Now, I believe UEFA allows for 2 highest sales to be replaced by new players. For example, if Inter were to sell Vecino for 25 million to Chelsea, it would allow Vrsaljko, and potential other buys to be included as their loan fees would not exceed that value.

    Inter also made some other sales like Eder for 5 million. Since Politano was bought for the same value, there is no issue with FFP.
    I think that the settlement agreement ends with UEFA so ad long as Inter comply before the end of this window, there will be no restriction for buying players next year. You're right that no CL would limit that but only in the sense that there would be no prize money from making it.
     
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  3. CoolMan33

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    I doubt Inter can challenge Juve next season or anyone else for that matter. Brozovic was amazing in the last 3 months of the season and he should be a different starter. The bench is a bit thin so it depends on further buys. Although having L. Martinez over Eder should be an improvement. Also, hopefully Politano can give Perisic some rest as the guy was run into the ground last year.
     
  4. Matrim

    Matrim Member+

    Feb 10, 2014
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Loans + obligations are perceived as similar to outright buys from FFP.

    But what also matters is whom you're selling. For instance Inter selling us the young guy who's name I've forgotten just now for 5mil. means that they can buy someone for 5mil, yearly amortization and still be within the FPP boundaries. So Ninja for instance is what 25mil. + 4.5mil. per year contract( I am guessing here) for 5 years, this means roughly 9.6mil. yearly amortization from his contract, which is far less than 25mil. and very close to the 5mil. they've gotten from the youngster we've bought. They've also sold us Sanson on profit, and he has spent a year or two there, so they've probably made another 7mil. plusvalenza from that sale.

    They are selling us trash/cheap players on profit, they are making 12mil. profit in the books, they can buy someone for 35mil. + 5m yearly salary contract and accounting-wise it counts as the 12mil. profit and 12mil. expense for this season.

    They've sold some unknown guy for 15-20mil. to Cagliari or something of the sort, so they could probably buy Kovacic and still be fine with their books. They are gaming the system so to speak. The biggest hurdle for teams like Roma and Inter isn't the FFP itself, they could dance around it if they really wish to do so - it's finding the funds for paying all those deals, because no matter how you account a purchase, you're usually paying for it quicker than you are accounting for its use, so we have only so much money to play with every season, with or without FFP.
     
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  5. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
  6. CoolMan33

    CoolMan33 Guest


    You're right about the obligation to buy, which makes sense as both the Politano ad Vrsaljko deals are option to buy.

    Yeah Inter is pretty much using their good relationship with teams like Genoa and Atalanta to beat the system so to speak.
     
  7. Hustle and Flow

    Hustle and Flow Member+

    Roma
    Feb 19, 2018
    Canada
  8. Salmeen10

    Salmeen10 Member+

    Jan 10, 2014
    Bahrain
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Bahrain
    Looks like Barca just Malcomed Inter and stole Vidal.
     
  9. Java65

    Java65 Member+

    Oct 2, 2012
    North Carolina
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  10. L'immortale

    L'immortale Red Card

    Italy
    Nov 13, 2017
    Retired
    He’s the only player they’ve paid for this summer. And it’s only 18m for the loan.
     
  11. Java65

    Java65 Member+

    Oct 2, 2012
    North Carolina
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ... but they haven't made any significant sales and their Europe league ban was lifted.

    Again, there is no real reason to comply with ffp, the punishments are laughable
     
  12. L'immortale

    L'immortale Red Card

    Italy
    Nov 13, 2017
    Retired
    They are going to sell someone. wait 2 weeks.
     
  13. Hustle and Flow

    Hustle and Flow Member+

    Roma
    Feb 19, 2018
    Canada
    There's many aspects of FFP I think are somewhat farcical (starting with the clever guise of calling it "Fair play") , but it is most definitely not a "joke", and we should "worry about it". Thankfully, the people running our club don't share your sentiment.

    UEFA used FFP to essentially help facilitate forcing out an owner. If that's not flexing, I'm not sure what is.

    As for the Higuain transfer, this article: https://www.football-italia.net/125579/higuain-caldara-bonucci-finances , does a nice job explaining the financial minutiae behind the deal. Milan really hasn't spent anything this summer.

    Here is another article explaining Milan's new transfer strategy after the insanity of last summer : https://www.football-italia.net/125594/milan-learned-their-lesson
    Essentially all they have to do is sell Bacca and a couple others and their net spend would be 0 for this summer. Again, they've spent peanuts.

    I don't feel like having this argument again, so I'll just leave it there. You can form your own opinion from here.
     
  14. Java65

    Java65 Member+

    Oct 2, 2012
    North Carolina
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Li missed his payment to Elliot and they took control per the terms of the loan, UEFA had nothing to do with that.

    Again, while they haven't spent anything they haven't sold anybody and they have a wage bill that is unsustainable. They were allowed to spend well beyond their means last year with no punishment. So why shouldn't Roma (or any other club) spend what they want for at least one season when UEFA isn't going to punish you. You build your squad that year then let them gel.

    Sorry, FFP is a joke.
     
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  15. Calcio Pauly

    Calcio Pauly Member+

    Jun 17, 2012
    Club:
    AC Milan
    #32615 Calcio Pauly, Aug 2, 2018
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    :coffee:

    It really is.
     
  16. Haakon24

    Haakon24 Member+

    Mar 15, 2013
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    Even if they do how will they have money? They made CL this year and supposedly can’t spend. They can’t keep pushing their installments further and further forever.
     
  17. L'immortale

    L'immortale Red Card

    Italy
    Nov 13, 2017
    Retired
    18 millions is a lot, yeah?
     
  18. Calcio Pauly

    Calcio Pauly Member+

    Jun 17, 2012
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Who said it was?
     
  19. Matrim

    Matrim Member+

    Feb 10, 2014
    Club:
    AS Roma
    AC Milan are like a magnet for washed up players, trouble makers and over-hyped talents. They cannot dodge a bullet even if someone is pointing the gun away from them...
     
  20. Wolfbeatseagle

    Wolfbeatseagle Member+

    May 7, 2007
    The Bermuda Tetrahedron
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    18 is a lot for the front end of a loan deal.
     
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  21. Calcio Pauly

    Calcio Pauly Member+

    Jun 17, 2012
    Club:
    AC Milan
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  22. Matrim

    Matrim Member+

    Feb 10, 2014
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Yeah. Paying 55mil. for a player who'd weight as much as your whole back-line in a season or two, with zero re-sale value and getting an unproven youngster for an experienced player... And the trend that Milan fans are much sadder each spring will continue on schedule as usual.

    I am sure Elliot evaluated Caldara as the more prospective defender - the fact that they could stop aying 10% of Milan's annual incomes to Bonucci didn't have anything to do with "Caldara is for now and for the future". :D
     
  23. Calcio Pauly

    Calcio Pauly Member+

    Jun 17, 2012
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. I'm not sure you understand what you're saying either though, so I guess we're all good here. I'm pretty sure you were the person who had the most entertaining meltdown when your team had to sell Nainngolan and Allison though. lol. Easy bite on that one :)
     
  24. Oban14

    Oban14 Member+

    Jul 5, 2006
    Illinois
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    It is his amortized amount for the year so the loan is neutral to Juve.
     
  25. Hustle and Flow

    Hustle and Flow Member+

    Roma
    Feb 19, 2018
    Canada
    The move, financially, is great for Juve (if Milan exercises their option to buy, though, still good if they don't). Which is another reason I didn't love it. It almost felt like they were doing a Juve a favour by taking Higuain's salary. I would've preferred trying to get Moise Kean or Pjaca, but I'm sure Juve insisted on Higuain being part of the deal.

    That said, it's only a loan move if Milan wants it to be, so there isn't a ton of risk involved. I just didn't think Higgy looked that good last season, and I wouldn't be surprised if his decline starts pretty quickly. Maybe he looks better as the clear-cut main man again , or maybe he looks worse with a less talented team.- I dunno.

    I really like Cutrone, and although they overpaid a bit for Andre Silva, I think he's a pretty talented player as well. Maybe Gattuso can find a way to get 2 of the 3 on the field together, but neither of the young guys really seem like wingers/outside forwards to me. I suppose with Milan being reinstated into the Europa League, there'll be plenty of minutes to go around.

    Also, Caldara was a total steal by them, so perhaps you could just look at it as taking on Higuain to get the real prize (who they couldn't have afforded/acquired otherwise, imo).

    As for the other side, it really is CL or bust for Juve in the next couple seasons. They've loaded up on aging core after being pretty damn methodical/frugal until the Higuain transfer a couple seasons ago.

    Their obsession is apparent , but it's good to see ambition as well.
     
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