World Cup 2018

Discussion in 'Brazil' started by omajac, Oct 10, 2017.

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Who will win World Cup 2018

  1. Germany

    11 vote(s)
    25.6%
  2. Brazil

    21 vote(s)
    48.8%
  3. France

    4 vote(s)
    9.3%
  4. Argentina

    1 vote(s)
    2.3%
  5. Italy

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Spain

    1 vote(s)
    2.3%
  7. Russia

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Other Team

    5 vote(s)
    11.6%
  1. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    They were efficient, organized, dangerous on the counter and a threat from set-pieces. 2010 Dunga ball at it finest.
     
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  2. Bezhusan

    Bezhusan Member

    Atlético Mineiro
    Brazil
    May 30, 2018
    This WC convinced me that excellence in set pieces, both on offense and defense, is a must to win international football tournaments. That’s what we should focus on, above all else.
     
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  3. Bezhusan

    Bezhusan Member

    Atlético Mineiro
    Brazil
    May 30, 2018
    Modric wins the golden ball. Very deserved, wish he was hoisting the trophy.
     
  4. Brazil_1500

    Brazil_1500 Member

    Nov 3, 2003
    NY
    This just in: France has been eliminated in the group stage of the 2022 World Cup
     
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  5. MerlinRM

    MerlinRM Member+

    May 5, 2014
    NorthEast USA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    It hurt watching France win. Makes me think of our failure even more.
     
  6. tpmazembe

    tpmazembe Member

    Jun 13, 2002
    The Midfield (S.Fla)
    Watched the game in French restaurant and switched allegiance after the PK call...didn't l like it at all. Croatia did themselves proud, and I think France have more than they showed (not sure if Deschamps' coaching or nerves on biggest stages for a young squad).

    :thumbsup:
    Modric is a midfield god.

    IMV I'd switch order of 2 and 3, and throw in DeBryune Rakitic Kante in there as honorable mentions.
     
  7. ripalino

    ripalino Member

    Feb 26, 2013
    Sao Paulo
    Club:
    Fluminense Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Any team dares to win the 2021 confederation cup ?
     
  8. IVO !

    IVO ! Member

    Feb 25, 2009
    RIO AND CHICAGO
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Croatia was much better until that bullshit own goal. Just plain bad luck.
    I have never seen so many goals on set pieces. I think this WC is a record.
    FUK the VAR. What’s the defender supposed to do, put his hands behind his back?
     
  9. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Most of what they did today with that possession is to cross the ball. It's what they ended up doing against England.

    France weren't much better. Thought they'd have more on the counter. Really strange final to a strange WC. After the Argentina game, France just kept doing just enough and were generally tough to beat. That's about it. Still think they were more deserving than Croatia who scraped through a much easier side of the bracket.
     
  10. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    It's probably going to be cancelled.
     
  11. tpmazembe

    tpmazembe Member

    Jun 13, 2002
    The Midfield (S.Fla)
    I agree with you on the call. No PK in my mind.

    However, to be fair, VAR it just a tool. In the end the referee interprets the recording of the play. So its the referee's "fault", not VAR's.

    And Ombak was right in earlier discussions after the Neymar PK reversal -- the initial call doesn't carry any weight relative to a potential video reversal. The referee just gets a shot at another look while play is stopped. A different ref may have made a different call with the same footage. You and I for sure.
     
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  12. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    The whole clear mistake thing is not being taken into account by the ref IMO. But yeah, different refs, different interpretations. It's inevitable.
     
  13. tpmazembe

    tpmazembe Member

    Jun 13, 2002
    The Midfield (S.Fla)
    Exactly. In the NFL the initial call takes precedent. I assumed so as well, but I was wrong. No issues with it either way.

    Regarding handballs, its always subjective. I would not call that a PK. However, the same EXACT play but the Croatian player is on the goal line as the ball was about to go in, I'd give the PK. So even I'm not consistent, but that is my interpretation of the game.
     
  14. samuel_clemens

    Dec 20, 2005
    Los Angeles CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    the group stage was pretty good but KO stages were lacking IMO. The absence of Italy and Holland and the early exit of Germany, Argentina and Portugal certainly had a negative impact in this tournament. Belgium vs Japan was the most entertaining game from r16 and onwards.
     
  15. tpmazembe

    tpmazembe Member

    Jun 13, 2002
    The Midfield (S.Fla)
    #2315 tpmazembe, Jul 15, 2018
    Last edited: Jul 15, 2018
    I agree with your general premise S_C. It was certainly one of the most dramatic WC in the group phases that I can recall, if not the most. It didn't provide games in the knock-out that I would necessarily put in the game library to re-watch every so often, though some of the Croatia OTs made for compelling live TV. A wonderful WC, but not the best ever as the FOX people keep repeating.

    As more countries improve their game, I'm less concerned with the "big" names showing up and rather with how teams are playing. If the big names weren't there at the end its likely because they played worse (especially the teams that can't qualify from fairly pedestrian European WCQs)!

    Btw, can you remember a less impactful Golden Boot winner? Most of Kane's goals where unremarkable....PKs, deflection....and the solitary goal in the knock-out was a PK initiated by him IMO. From open play, just the deflection. Not slamming him, as I think he is a good player, but....

    The Russian left back/winger's (Cherychev?) goals were much more impressive.
     
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  16. Doc_Exec

    Doc_Exec Member

    Jul 7, 2004
    #2316 Doc_Exec, Jul 15, 2018
    Last edited: Jul 15, 2018
    Messi is probably an overall better footballer, but I'd take Neymar over Messi. I think, with Brazil, Messi would not have survived as long as he did with the Argies. Brazil doesn't tolerate repeated failures. For example, R10 played only 2 WCs, was relegated to the bench, then dropped, and later seldom recalled! Also, Messi would be meddling with team selection etc. Nobody wants that.
     
  17. Estuardo A. Lopez

    Jul 9, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    After France's 3rd goal I turned off my TV and went out on a bike ride. I just couldn't stomach what I was seeing. Don't get me wrong, I like France, mainly because my mother lives there and I think they deserved to win. However, as many have mentioned here, this World Cup feels like another missed opportunity by Brazil. It feels like a missed opportunity just like 2006 and 2010.
    To me, France does not seem like an all-powerful team. In fact, they seem eminently beatable. They defeated a pathetic Argentina an undermanned Uruguay and a very tired Croatia. That's it.
    I, like many of you, prefer that Tite remain in charge if only for the sake of continuity and because a suitable and competent replacement will be hard to find in Brazil. I do hope, of course, that Tite learns from his mistakes and becomes a General that applies those lessons correctly and not a General that perpetually fights the last war without seeing the reality of the present.
     
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  18. old_carioca_in_nyc

    Jan 26, 2007

    It is imperative hat Tite studies and figures out what went wrong for us. In general it is not good to be the “favorite” to win... examples, Colombia 1994, Brasil 1982, Netherlands 1974, etc
     
  19. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Ronaldinho was dropped because he stopped being a serious footballer after 06 and also Dunga was the coach.
     
  20. Redshift

    Redshift Member+

    Dec 14, 2004
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Bah!

    I hate it when games go so strongly against the run of play on questionable calls (I think the penalty was a penalty, but there were errors on the foul that led to the opening goal and the goal itself, as well as a non-call to Croatia's detriment). VAR needs some significant tweaking.

    In the end though, this French side simply has more class than Croatia. Griezmann, Pogba and Mbappe desequilibram and their talent is worthy of the title. Pogba's pass to Mbappe on the third goal, which Pogba ultimately scored on the sobra, was a work of art.

    I'm not particularly happy France won, but it's hard not to be happy for these players, for what this team represents, and for some of the genuine fans around them (like Macron).

    As unbelievable as it seems, in 2022 it will have been 20 years since the Penta. Nuts. I miss feeling like the French do today.

    I may lurk around for a bit. But, more likely, so long until the Copa America.
     
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  21. samuel_clemens

    Dec 20, 2005
    Los Angeles CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    #2321 samuel_clemens, Jul 15, 2018
    Last edited: Jul 15, 2018
    I think Refs shouldn't call weak penalty kicks in knockout stages. What Bellati did essentially was transform a 10% chance corner kick into a 70% chance PK because of an accident. After France scored their second you knew Croatia was toasted . France would get to play their bola nas costas game against a bunch of tired Croats.
     
  22. samuel_clemens

    Dec 20, 2005
    Los Angeles CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Romario will be almost 60 years old come 2022. Wrap your mind around that. I noticed Galvao was extremely emotional as he ended the broadcast today. There's definitely been a end of an era type vibe to the last 2 WCs. Some results and some changes and happenings in the football world order that were unthinkable for us that remember how football was in the 20th century.

    What I'd like most of all going forward is the arrival of a new 1995-06 type safra . A generation so good that even friendly matches are must see TV., it hasnt been that way in a long time. As far as results go I think I still have seen my fair share as a fan. By 1989 we hadn't won an official title since 1970. Then we got the Tetra, the Penta, the second place in 98, about 4 Copa Americas and 4 confed cups and a bunch of Olympic medals including Gold at the Maracana in 2016.
     
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  23. XaviandXabi

    XaviandXabi Member

    May 4, 2005
    CT
    Not exactly the same, R10s form and dedication fell dramatically. Many of us here at that time thought he did not deserve a call up.
     
  24. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Did I say Fernandinho blows ?
     
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  25. XaviandXabi

    XaviandXabi Member

    May 4, 2005
    CT
    Not enough. Who should we have brought instead? Isn't Fabinho highly rated? I don't think he even got a look from Tite.
     

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