Next Ballon d'Or winner that isn't CR7 or LM10 (and when)?

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by BocaFan, Jan 19, 2015.

  1. Sexy Beast

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    Dinamo Zagreb
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    Aug 11, 2016
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    I might have misinterpreted your words, but can you blame me?

    I dont buy whole Uefadrid story (nor Uefolana one). I dont think there is the slightest of referee bias towards them. Mistakes are ever present and the only reasons why it might seem corrupt are:
    1. Fans only talk about it when it happens in favor of either Real or Barca
    2. Plays in which they are robbed are easily forgotten
    3. Real and Barca are usually the better team on the pitch, which means they attack much more than oppositions do, which increases a likelyhood of mistakes going in their favors.
    4. It played out that way (luck factor), why would there have to be a reason other than referees make mistakes (if you are concerned about frequency look at 2nd and 3rd point)?


    That might be the case, me predicting that,.. i dont remember.
    and again, i dont buy that there is a fundamental and significant difference between the ways how la liga and ucl are played that it might result in two separate and different ways of dominating football. There might be some differences in mentality of Barca and Real that resulted in something like this, but for most part it's just a pure chance if you ask me.. it could easily turn out to be Barca's treble season and Real being eliminated in 1/8 finals.

    As of league's value, its pretty obvious by now, but i dont think that players are looking at that like that. Zidane seemed pretty frustrated for losing league title
     
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  2. Sexy Beast

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    Dinamo Zagreb
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    i mostly meant on 4 figures. Neymar, Suarez, Coutinho Dembele.. transfers like that are Reals trademark
     
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  3. Estel

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    May 5, 2010
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    Cruyff in 1973, Maradona in 1982, Ronaldo in 1996 - All bought by Barcelona for, at that time, world record fees.

    Real's first world record transfer was Figo in 2000.
     
  4. Sexy Beast

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    Dinamo Zagreb
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    you know what i mean...
     
  5. Sexy Beast

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    Dinamo Zagreb
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    Aug 11, 2016
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    "I'm surprised that he would leave Real Madrid and go to Italy," Giggs said on ITV.

    "I think it's a big challenge for him but he's going to a huge club. Having that on your CV: Real Madrid, Man United, Juventus - it's some CV."

    "He's obsessed with being better than Messi. He has that now, that, 'I did it in England, I did it in Spain, I'm going to do it in Italy ... I did it with Portugal.'

    "So maybe that will be his argument when [he asks himself]: 'Am I better than Messi?'"

    Giggs completely shares my opinion.
     
  6. JoCryuff98

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    According to Ronaldo’s logic, Ibrahimovic is better than Messi and Ronaldo himself lol.
     
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  7. PMFmdf

    PMFmdf Member

    May 15, 2016
    Giggs may be right on this one. Ronaldo led a beard on his face after seeing Messi with a goat in a magazine cover. Ronaldo himself exposed his obsession in a interview for a french magazine . You can not deny how well he has managed his own career (alongside the great Mendes, of course). People around the world see a obsessed, egoistic and sometimes childish person as Ronaldo as the greatest personality to ever play football nowadays, an amazing human being. Things like he intimidating referees (last minute of Portugal vs Uruguay) or being angry about other Real players scoring were simply deleted of human memory. The greatest european player ever who actually is not even a better footballer than Van Basten, let alone Cruyff and Platini.
     
  8. JoCryuff98

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    19 yr old Mbappe arguably had a better WC performance so far than Zidane did in 98 WC:ROFLMAO:. Lad definitely has the potential to be considered the best French footballer and obviously world’s best player in the future.
     
  9. IronWright

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    Mar 18, 2018
    Ibra never won a Champion's League playing in any country let alone 3 and Ibra didn't win Ballon D'Or, Golden Boot, Uefa Best Player and Champion's League Top Scorer in two different leagues plus every available team trophy. If Ronaldo was able to repeat these same achievements in Italy it would be a club career that would be untouchable for many lifetimes if ever gain.
     
  10. IronWright

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    Mar 18, 2018
    This is unbelievable, Platini's achievements aren't even in the same universe as Ronaldo's. I could only imagine the critique on Ronaldo had he spent 10 years in Portugal winning 2 league cups and and one league title. What exactly did Platini achieve that Ronaldo didn't? Granted Ronaldo never had a Platini '84 tournament but that hardly eclipses the multiple all-time great Champion's League campaigns Ronaldo has put forth in his career. Not to mention Ronaldo won a Euro with Portugal, there's no comparison. Ronaldo is the greatest European player in history.
     
  11. Sexy Beast

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    Dinamo Zagreb
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    I think we can know now confidently say that Mbappe > Messi, Ronaldo.

    WC plus goal in final......
     
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  12. JoCryuff98

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    Sarcasm of course but no LOL. I don’t think Mbappe will ever surpass Messi, but he has the potential to be considered greater than someone like overrated Zidane easily.
     
  13. Afghan-Juventus

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    Lol I’m pretty sure Platinis Juve had to actually WIN their league to qualify for the European Cup. Something Ronaldo’s real did TWICE in EIGHT years
     
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  14. carlito86

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    #5114 carlito86, Jul 15, 2018
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    Are are you playing devils advocate here or actually being serious?
    C.Ronaldo,s champions league career at Manchester United was arguably as good as michel platini's entire European Cup career.

    cr7 was the 2nd best player at CL 2006/07 including most assists and legendary performance against roma including 6 goal involvements over 2 legs (2 goals+1 assist +3 pre assists)

    Best player CL 2008
    Top scorer including crucial knockout stage goals in qf and final

    2nd best overall player in cl 2009 and arguably best player in the knockout stages
    Puskas goal award for winning goal scored in the quarter final
    A Legendary performance in CL semi vs arsenal away
    And uniteds best player in final vs Barcelona

    Ronaldos champions league performances ALONE make him a European cup/champions league legend

    Platinis European cup career is so far behind ronaldo to the point that there is simply no comparison to be made.
    It must also be said that platini's 84 European championship performance wipes the floor with anything cristiano has done at major tournaments
     
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  15. Sexy Beast

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    Dinamo Zagreb
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    Just pointing out the absurdity of such or any similar argument.

    Lets see what he can do.. i am waiting for him to take a main role in a club or country where he then faces teams that go out trying to stop specifically him.
     
  16. robnycus

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    What is your beef with Zidane?
    He retired 12 years ago..
    let it go already..
     
  17. carlito86

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    Jan 11, 2016
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    LOL his obsession with zidane is borderline psycopathic
    (Almost as bad as leadleader in this regard although the latter is a tiny bit more subtle about it)
     
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  18. carlito86

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    Which performance was more impressive from an aesthetic perspective zidane vs Brazil 2006 or mbappe vs Argentina 2018?
    personally I don't think it's a totally outrageous comparison but would be interested in hearing people's opinions
     
  19. robnycus

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    Aesthetically it is hard to top Zidane Vs Brazil in 06
     
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  20. carlito86

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    Agreed but mbappe vs Argentina was a devastating performance probably not as skilful as zizou but nonetheless still devastating (and more impactful)
    For all zidanes fantastic skills he only produced 1 assist (and 1 other clear goal chance to patrick viera)
    Mbappe scored twice including a solo goal( of sorts)
    Frankly I can't recall a single performance by a 21 year r9 in wc 1998 in which he successfully took on more defenders than mbappe did in that match
     
  21. celito

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    Palmeiras
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    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
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    Keep in mind this against a much better Holland compared to Argentina with slow ass midfielders and defenders.

     
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  22. ASU55RR

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    Zidane and don't consider it especially close to be honest.

    Mbappe had a great match against Argentina, in which he benfied and contributed to a very open match that played to his strengths. That said, Zidane just made an objectively much better Brazil team look lost even in basic run of possessions throughout most of that match. For as great as Mbappe is and will continue to become, I never felt that he controled every aspect of any match this tournament the way Zidane did against Brazil in 2006.
     
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  23. robnycus

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    I was thinking of the same game..in 98. Ronaldo was dancing with the dutch.. he was literally unstoppable on that match and they had to foul him constantly otherwise he would have literally humiliated every dutch player who played that day..
    He also had a great game vs Chile..

    But Ronaldo was 21 not 19 like Mbappe..
     
  24. victorcalello38

    Feb 28, 2017
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    Season 2017-18

    1. ANTOINE GRIEZMANN (France)
    2. MOHAMED SALAH (Egypto)
    3. LIONEL MESSI (Argentina)
    4. CRISTIANO RONALDO (Portugal)
    5. KEVIN DE BRUYNE (Belgium)
     
  25. JoCryuff98

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    Jan 3, 2018
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    I don’t think it’s absurd when I said he had a better WC than Zidane did in 98 WC(I’m not talking about 2006 nor did I imply Mbappe is better). Credit should be given when it’s due.
     

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