PORTUGAL VS URUGUAY 2018 FIFA World Cup Round of 16 [R]

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  1. Sumol

    Sumol Member+

    Portugal
    Oct 12, 2011
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    The teams that don't deserve a star vastly outnumber the teams that do.

    This is getting dangerous.

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  2. Sumol

    Sumol Member+

    Portugal
    Oct 12, 2011
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Typical inferiority minded CR7 era Portugal fan. Always expecting CR7 to bail you out without stopping to think how a team can perform without the pressures of playing alongside a global superstar that expects everything to be funneled through him.

    How did that France final work out for us without CR7?

    How is Sweden doing so far without Zlatan? Imagine us without our superstar considering we have more quality than Sweden?

    CR7's choke penalty against a goalkeeper that was homeless a few years ago probably costed us the World Cup or at the very least a big run.
    Rony Lopes could have socked that stupid ball into the back of the Iranian net so easily but we are so used to our superstar saving us. How did that work out this time? The following game he was one of the worst player's on the pitch and don't even get me started on his performance against Morocco.

    We should start a petition to get him to retire from the national team.

    100,000 signatures should do the trick.

    Time to turn the page.
     
  3. Ramos77

    Ramos77 Member

    Benfica
    Portugal
    Jun 24, 2017
    #753 Ramos77, Jul 2, 2018
    Last edited: Jul 2, 2018
    You conveniently left out his hat trick against Spain, if he misses the free kick we probably don't even get past the first round.

    He scored the game winner against Morocco as well.

    I do agree that we probably won the Euro because he came off, but I think the other players played for him as well. You're assuming a alot.

    Don't forget the confidence you get when playing with players like Ronaldo, you know the game can turn any minute.

    It was the same with Figo. So who is the next Figo? Let alone the next Ronaldo?

    If not Ronaldo, who would have scored against Sweden to qualify for 2014? Who got us into the final at the Euro?

    We would not even qualify without him.

    He is a leader. Who replaces him as Captain?

    There are no other leaders in the team at the moment.
     
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  4. HandofAbel

    HandofAbel Member

    Liverpool FC
    Portugal
    Jun 19, 2017
    eu estou aqui
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    I woulda figured an Italian would actually watch games rather than take that American/British media dikk into their mouth like you did.

    Portugal were lucky at the Euro in the group stage? It’s lucky to dominate, dominate every offensive statistical metric and come away with draws? Is this your level of understanding of this sport? For real? Those 3 games played out again in the same fashion would be extremely unlucky not get positive results from.

    It’s lucky for Portugal that Hungary scored two of the most deflected goals in that 3-3 draw? This is your level of understanding of this sport? For real?

    It’s lucky for Portugal to catch Croatia in the 1st knockout game? A Croatia who had just beaten Spain to top their group and were being elevated to tournament favourites with Germany and France? (Who Portugal also beat-took down two tournament favourites).

    It’s lucky that Portugal, playing a final bs one of the strongest teams in the world, in that teams house lost their superstar and greatest player in their history after 8 minutes? That’s lucky?


    Now, I don’t actually believe that’s your level of knowledge for this sport. It couldn’t possibly. So it can only be something emotionally based that caused your blinded conclusion. Why would people be so insecure about tiny, tiny Portugal?

    Come back with the 3rd place thing and I got some for that too. And no, it’s not the obvious Italy 3rd in 1982 point either.
     
  5. nbstriker8

    nbstriker8 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 10, 2008
    new beige
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ronaldo was great against Spain.

    He scored our only goal against Morocco. We tied that game.

    He was non existent against Iran and I'm not sure if he played against Uruguay.

    I think Sumol uses a little too much hyperbole, but let's not pretend Ronaldo had a fantastic world cup. A great free kick goal, a penalty goal and a penalty miss, a de gea mistake and a nice header against Morocco.
     
  6. parkben1

    parkben1 Member

    Feb 18, 2006
    brooklyn
    Portugal won’t qualify for the Euros if Ronaldo retires. That’s reality.
     
  7. nbstriker8

    nbstriker8 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 10, 2008
    new beige
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Portugal will qualify for a 24 team euro with or without CR.

    Albania qualified last time.
     
  8. Joao Bibliotecario

    Jun 24, 2014
    Brooklyn, NY
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Just on merit you can't leave a guy like Ronaldo off. As others have said a few times Guedes and Andre Silva seemed to melt under the lights.
     
  9. Nani_17

    Nani_17 Member+

    Nov 3, 2011
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I'd love to take that bet. Any amount you'd like I'm willing to bet.
     
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  10. trebaruna

    trebaruna Member

    Jun 13, 2017
    Los Angeles
    This reminds of the anxiety/concern of what would be of the team after the Figo, Rui Costa, João Pinto retire. Many thought the team would go back to the dark years when Portugal wouldn't make past the qualifiers.
    CR7 can't dribble, can't accelerate past defenders the way he used to 4-5 years ago. It's time to face it, Cristiano Ronaldo's heydays are gone. He can still do ok, but he is really on the descending curve now. Do you just want to have CR7's brand name in the team, or do you want to bring in a capable player?
     
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  11. Nani_17

    Nani_17 Member+

    Nov 3, 2011
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I understand why it would seem that when Ronaldo retires we are going to see a drop off in results. I mean it only seems logical that if we drop one of the best ever we should become worse.

    However, I have to agree with @Sumol in that I feel without Ronaldo we can go back to being a "team"

    I can't prove it or even give a argument based on any kind of evidence, but I have seen enough to see that CR7 can be a deterrent at times.

    Let's take a look at some recent games sans Ronaldo:

    France Euro 16 final: Nothing to be said, we all saw it and it was a very solid and composed performance.

    Friendly vs Italy 2015: Portugal wins 1-0 in a very solid overall performance with some nervy moments near the end. The game that sent Italy to pot 2 and in the same group with Spain and their eventual missed qualification.

    WC 18 qualifier vs Switzerland: 2-0 loss. Statistically a dominant performance, but Switzerland was playing with the lead most the match so it's deceptive. Nani misses a sitter(off the woodwork) and William has a overall poor performance. Deserved result, could have used CR7.

    WC 2018 vs Andorra: 2-0 victory, on the surface it seems like we needed CR7 because it was scoreless until he came on, but the pressure was mounting regardless and although no way to really know for sure, I personally think we were always going to score eventually anyway. A.Silva then put one away to seal the win. This game is one I'd call a push.

    Confederation cup 3rd place game vs Mexico: 2-1 victory in extra time. It must be said that we played Mexico much better then the first game in the group stage. First game we allowed a late equalizer and allowed a 2-2 draw, this game we equalized late to make it 1-1 and then won 2-1 in et after Gelson earned us a penalty and Adrien put it away. Both teams made some changes, but the performance against Mexico without Ronaldo was overall better.

    Pre WC 18 friendlies: First against Saudi, easy 3-0 win and super comfortable, good performance from basically everyone.

    2-2 against Tunisia: despite the score I thought it was a well played game but R.Pereira had a nightmare defensively, reminding the more observant followers why Cedric starts.

    0-0 against Belgium: Solid performance, not many chances created by either team and essentially very even.

    Also after Euro 16, sometime in 2017 we had a 4-0 friendly win over Cyprus without Ronaldo. Easy win and solid performance.

    Overall without Ronaldo, I'd give us a B-
    Though too much judgment isn't warranted with friendly games.

    Why I personally think I'd like to see CR7 retire? As lucky as we are to have the GOAT, I personally feel that having a shadow of that size casted over the rest of the team can't be good. Everyone plays through Ronaldo instead of as a unit. The gravity that is Ronaldo is just to much, without him I just expect a more natural game. That being said, we do need a proper goal scorer, because we do have a lot of quality young guys coming up.
     
  12. Nani_17

    Nani_17 Member+

    Nov 3, 2011
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Also our free kick conversion rate without Ronaldo will go up dramatically. The goal against Spain may have made people forget the 10,000 times prior were he just smashed it against the wall. We have about 5 or 6 guys better at free kicks, but that massive ego just won't allow it.
     
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  13. portugamerifinn

    portugamerifinn Member+

    Feb 22, 2005
    Bay Area / London
    I think it's crazy to want Ronaldo to retire from the national team or expect the team to be better without him, but it's got to happen eventually and I don't think Portugal's in a bad place at all if that were to happen now.

    In the short term, I'm actually more worried about Portugal right now if Pepe retires. He has been every bit as important to Portugal in the back as Ronaldo has been in leading the attack, often more so. I know Portugal needs to incorporate young central defenders, but I'm worried about its ability to do so in a way that leads to team success without Pepe continuing to play a role for now. He had another excellent game against Uruguay (one costly mistake in which he got no help) and got better and better throughout the tournament. I'm afraid to see a Portugal back four in a competitive match that doesn't have him in it.
     
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  14. NewLaw83

    NewLaw83 Member+

    Jun 3, 2015
    Boston, MA, USA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    This!
     
  15. artielange84

    artielange84 Member+

    Aug 7, 2014
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    We were a lot more Ronaldo-centric from like 2008 - 2016, now all of sudden we need him to retire to become a team?

    Since 2016 we've played more as a team that we ever have during the era I mentioned. We finally have a bunch of world class caliber players that can give him service, now's not the time to get him to retire
     
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  16. portugamerifinn

    portugamerifinn Member+

    Feb 22, 2005
    Bay Area / London
    As of now, I'd be more surprised if Ronaldo retired before Euro 2020 than if he played in the 2022 WC.
     
  17. SCP_16

    SCP_16 Member+

    Aug 8, 2004
    Bay Area
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    You guys are in for a rude awakening when he's gone. This team is full of limp, toothless scrubs and it will be blatantly more obvious when Ronaldo is gone.
     
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  18. Chop thug

    Chop thug Red Card

    Toronto FC / Santa Clara / benfica
    Portugal
    Jun 19, 2018
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    What world class players ?
     
  19. Joao Bibliotecario

    Jun 24, 2014
    Brooklyn, NY
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Our starters play mostly in the top leagues of Europe. You can't say they are not world class. Compare that to Iran's team, talk about minnows.
     
  20. SCP_16

    SCP_16 Member+

    Aug 8, 2004
    Bay Area
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal

    And? They play without a spine. Japan plays with more balls than Portugal.
     
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  21. Chop thug

    Chop thug Red Card

    Toronto FC / Santa Clara / benfica
    Portugal
    Jun 19, 2018
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Bro just ronaldo is World class. Maybe Patricio and Bernardo .

    Pepe used to be.

    Most of my boys struggle to name any of our players , but when I talk about brasil everyone knows firmino, neymar, Willian, Gabriel Jesus , Tiago Silva , Marcelo , Filipe Luis , casemiro

    That's the difference
     
  22. Nani_17

    Nani_17 Member+

    Nov 3, 2011
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Don't bother, it's all emotional. Many people now think they know the future of guys like B.Silva, A.Silva and Guedes because they didn't have a good tournament. Chops have never been known for their level headed logical minds. You can see it here from many of the responses, it's so much anger and jumping to negative conclusions, because perspective is difficult when you're simple minded.

    We will be fine, and I'm more than willing to wager on that with any of these doomsday mouth breathers here.

    By fine, I mean still competitive and still a team capable of semis for either the Euro or WC.
     
  23. Nani_17

    Nani_17 Member+

    Nov 3, 2011
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    With all due respect, if they are hanging around you, I'm guessing they also struggle to figure out where the sun goes at night.
     
  24. Chop thug

    Chop thug Red Card

    Toronto FC / Santa Clara / benfica
    Portugal
    Jun 19, 2018
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Honestly bro show some respect to me and my crew

    You wouldn't say that to my face would you?

    We are just talking soccer no reason to be hating on my swag
     
  25. HandofAbel

    HandofAbel Member

    Liverpool FC
    Portugal
    Jun 19, 2017
    eu estou aqui
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    No, but honestly, recognizing the Brazilian players more than the Portuguese players by name and and stature is a very Fox Soccer or ESPN American way of analyzing the game. Imagine undermining Croatia right now because Rakatic isn’t as popular amongst non favs as is Marcelo.
     

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