The Jonathan Gonzalez Thread

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by TheFalseNine, Dec 14, 2017.

  1. bballshawn

    bballshawn Member+

    Feb 5, 2014
    Delaware
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Sounds like me lol... but seriously this shouldn't be a big loss if we are to progress to bigger hights in World football. Brazil lost Costa and still were favorites for the WC. We should be fine
     
  2. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Sunny San Diego
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ugh it's 2:30 in the morning in Japan and still awake because of this. Thanks JoGo.
     
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  3. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    He was playing pro ball for 4 months and didn't get called up for a pointless friendly in the middle of Liga MX playoffs. Being a pro for four months and breaking through to the first team is more important than being integrated into the full national team. The last time something like this came up Jose Torres became a regular for Pachuca rather than come from Pre Olympic camps/games and the Olympics.

    If not getting the call was the deciding factor, then who is advising the kid.
     
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  4. Thundering165

    Thundering165 Member+

    North Carolina FC
    United States
    May 1, 2017
    Raleigh
    If I were a highly coveted dual national, it would be hard for me to commit to the USA knowing that spots on the national team are not reserved for the best players but rather for the ones who are best at toeing the party line and shilling for the domestic league.

    If I were in JG's shoes, I would have no reason to believe that being among the best in Liga MX would move me ahead of the likes of Michael Bradley in the eyes of the people choosing the squad.

    Until the USMNT becomes more of a meritocracy, I would expect to lose even more dual nationals.
     
  5. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Sunny San Diego
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The people at the Liga MX team Monterrey.
     
  6. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    Wow, a whopping quadruple decker of racism, nationalism, nepotism, and incompetincizm. Too incompetent to coach his talent you Hack, too nationalistic to bother Bruce, too racist to reach out and of course, the cherry on top, the Dm who is not a DM always needs to start or Sunil on down wet their pants in fear.

    Still feel sorriest for Pulisic. He inherits this $hitshow from bradley.

    A lot of work ahead.
     
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  7. bballshawn

    bballshawn Member+

    Feb 5, 2014
    Delaware
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    [​IMG]
     
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  8. WheezingUSASupport

    Dortmund
    United States
    Aug 28, 2017
    Anyone know if he bonded at all with any of our other young prospects like McKennie has with Pulisic?
     
  9. bballshawn

    bballshawn Member+

    Feb 5, 2014
    Delaware
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Yup Tyler Adams was one.
     
  10. dougtee

    dougtee Member+

    Feb 7, 2007
    right, if his peers couldnt sell him on the dream, no one was going to be able to
     
  11. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    When the best new player in La Liga MX is begging to play for teh US at the exact position they need the most help, there has to be a cascade of stupid running down the entire USMNT organization. I chose to pick the obvious reasons, can you think of more?
     
  12. ShaftBrewer

    ShaftBrewer Member+

    Jul 18, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's got a few posts on his IG with the USYNT from February.
     
  13. ShaftBrewer

    ShaftBrewer Member+

    Jul 18, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  14. bballshawn

    bballshawn Member+

    Feb 5, 2014
    Delaware
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    No that was an irrational post with little basis.
     
  15. #1 Feilhaber and Adu

    Aug 1, 2007
    a couple of things:

    1) might be a diversion by Mexico to see American reactions to a misleading article, if American fans start blasting him, they will point to how 'look how American fans talk about you"...."we Mexicans love you".

    2) If this is a legitimate article, then he is nothing more than a person who a) has no loyalty to what he believes in himself or to his international teammates who have loyalty to him.

    Its hard to say that he was playing everyone since the start because he did turn down chivas years ago. My belief here is that his parents brainwashed him, FMF treated him like a God, and allure of the world cup finally swayed him.
     
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  16. Tmagic77

    Tmagic77 Member+

    Feb 10, 2003
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I don't understand people trashing Gonzalez over this. The full national team hasn't been in contact with him, Mexico offered him the thing he's been dreaming of his entire life. Not taking that deal would be pretty close to astounding.

    That USSF won't recognize the danger after not qualifying and not courting him is ridiculous.
     
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  17. matabala

    matabala Member+

    Sep 25, 2002
    If he was already solid for us, a non-call should have made NO difference.

    Gonzalez was born and raised in the US. This talk about "dual national" is bogus. The US does NOT officially recognize dual citizenship in his case. The kid is an American, end of story.

    What it does make him, in my opinion, is a citizen by convenience.
     
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  18. Borrachin

    Borrachin Member+

    Feb 28, 2006
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And so we move on! We have many like him, just a matter of finding them. One less game I have to watch every weekend.
     
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  19. #1 Feilhaber and Adu

    Aug 1, 2007
    1) might be a diversion by Mexico to see American reactions to a misleading article, if American fans start blasting him, they will point to how 'look how American fans talk about you"...."we Mexicans love you".

    2) If this is a legitimate article, then he is nothing more than a person who a) has no loyalty to what he believes in himself or to his international teammates who have loyalty to him.

    Its hard to say that he was playing everyone since the start because he did turn down chivas years ago. My belief here is that his parents brainwashed him, FMF treated him like a God, and allure of the world cup finally swayed him.
     
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  20. Brotheryoungbuck

    Jan 24, 2015
    parts unknown
    I want to die now.
     
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  21. soccerusa517

    soccerusa517 Member+

    Jun 23, 2009
    Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Forgot about the family angle, that's true, especially in Mexican-American households.
     
  22. bballshawn

    bballshawn Member+

    Feb 5, 2014
    Delaware
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Agreed completely Honey-dicked by FMF
     
  23. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It wasn't even communicated with him his club interests were the reason. That's the main problem here. But they could have tried to work him in anyway for selfish interests, knowing Monterrey's coach was trying to steer him to Mexico, and since this could happen.

    Who is advising the kid? He's 18 so it's natural to succumb to a variety of voices including his own. He doesn't know what he thinks at that point. So the U.S. manager should have been one of those voices, along with his prospective future teammates. Recruiting is an ongoing game.
     
  24. TheFalseNine

    TheFalseNine Moderator
    Staff Member

    Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 15, 2014
    Norman, Okla.
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, don't!!! We just called up Zardes and Rubio frickin' Rubin! :eek::cry::sick:
     
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  25. Peretz48

    Peretz48 Member+

    Nov 9, 2003
    Los Angeles
    The only way Alvarez plays for the U.S. is if Mexico no longer has interest in him.
     
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