FIFA U-17 World Cup: India 2017 [R]

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by BocaFan, Jul 7, 2017.

  1. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
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    Your argument is mixing fact with fiction and failing to see logical correlations.

    And the only reason Spain is in the final is because Mali has been crap at finishing off chances this entire tournament. Put Nigeria from 2013 or 2015 and Spain are down and out 5:0 or more.

    UEFA haven't made a U17 World Cup final in almost 10 years. You pretense of logic is hilarious.

    Age cheating is still an issue, but not at the U17 World Cup.

    BTW: What age cheat scandal of 2017? There was none.
     
  2. W.A.S.P.

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    St. Louis
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  3. W.A.S.P.

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    Leeds United
    England
    Sep 20, 2012
    St. Louis
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    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    He is also currently a top 5 striker in the world. My opinion, but I'm sure I share with a million others.
     
  4. celito

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    Palmeiras
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    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
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    That 1 v 1 chance Brazil had when the game was 1 x 1 was a big miss.
     
  5. Nico777

    Nico777 Member+

    Olympique de marseille
    Croatia
    Oct 19, 2017
    It is harder to reach finals when you are u17 and face players in 20ies :D

    UEFA won the last 3 world cups my dear you really think they needed success at u17 level that much? Seriously?

    The same country with multiple world cups at u17 level with over aged teams never reached the semi finals of the real world cup.
     
  6. Nico777

    Nico777 Member+

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    Oct 19, 2017
    He is very good. I would say top 10 at the moment. Aguero Cavani Lewandoski Icardi Dybala Dzeko Aubameyang are efficient too lately.
     
  7. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
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    #231 zahzah, Oct 25, 2017
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    It is scientifically impossible for UEFA teams to have faced players in their 20s in the last 3 U17 World Cups, where not a single UEFA team made the final.

    Your UEFA teams got thrashed to a pulp by U17 Nigerian and Brazilian teams. Plain and simple. To claim differently is just malice. Even more so that the 2013 and 2015 Nigerian teams were part of new NFF U13 and U15 programmes. You can even see them at various European tournaments as 10, 11, 12 or 13 years old.

    There is a reason why African teams have problems with progression and that is because of little to no proper non-youth facilities. Player have to go abroad to develop past a certain age. They can't do it at home. European players can develop at a local club till the time is right to move on.

    By comparison Brazil who succeeds at all youth levels has a strong development league in the Brasilierao.

    You are not worthy of any more of my attention.
     
  8. Nico777

    Nico777 Member+

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    Oct 19, 2017
    #232 Nico777, Oct 25, 2017
    Last edited: Oct 25, 2017
    Lol the uefa teams won the 3 last world cups the 3 last u20 world cups and give a 100% uefa final in this u17 world cup.
    6 different nations involved in these achievements.

    You are right they have been really in trouble :D

    The day caf will get the world champion the u20 world champion and the u17 world champion in same time you won't be alive...

    The main reason they have trouble progressing is that at senior level they deal with adults that are technically physically and tactically prepared that is all.
     
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  9. Nani_17

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    Let's hope for the sanity of zahzah that this is not a sign to come for CAF teams. Imagine not only being a waste at senior level, but also not being able to compete at the U17 with players 3 to 4 years older, yikes!
     
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  10. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
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    We're talking about the U17. What is wrong with your head that you are bringing in the senior competitions into this? If you're not interested in this competition then don't comment. And BTW keep your racism in check, its almost bubbling over now. Like with any 'true Croatian'.

    UEFA still got beaten to a pulp by the Nigerian U17s...

    Oh, and enjoy!



    And this one is especially dedicated to you:

     
  11. Nico777

    Nico777 Member+

    Olympique de marseille
    Croatia
    Oct 19, 2017
    I am serbian croatian by origins born in france and your racism stuff is bullshit my girlfriend is peruvian and i got friends from all over the world. I got more africans in my friends than you will ever have in your life. Even them make fun about the trafic age in africa. And they would make fun of you as well.
     
  12. Nani_17

    Nani_17 Member+

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    Wonder why CAF teams get progressively worse as the age group gets higher? If only there was a logical explanation for this.


    Joking of course, I think we all know why.
     
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  13. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
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    Exactly. Its just football, but you are incapable of being civil.
    And by the way - you started it by getting all riled up about god knows what.

    Add to ignore list.
    Goodbye.
     
  14. persianfootball

    persianfootball Member+

    Aug 5, 2004
    outside your realm
    lol dont take this zahzah character too seriously. he is not a bad fellow but he is rather interesting. he is still talking about a match from last fifa u17 world cup in a desperate bid to show that the overage nigeria team was better than it actually was. he also still has the france vs nigeria match picture as his avatar, and he is still claiming that nigeria should have won when france clearly outplayed nigeria.he is clearly irrationally biased against non african teams, especially european ones, as it appears that he is rather agitated due to the recent european success in this tournament.

    and now he is doing the same with mali, saying nonsense like "if mali could finish they would beat spain 5-0" lol. he is too emotional and biased. rather childish.

    in terms of mali, i would say Iran were better in this tournament. i would say that after england and spain, Iran and brazil have been the best teams. zahzah will argue with this to inflate malis performance but oh well. finishing is part of the game btw, if you consistently cant finish that is your own fault and brings down the overall rating of your team.
     
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  15. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

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    #239 zahzah, Oct 25, 2017
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    persianfootball: Don't claim to know what I think:

    First off - it is you who constantly brings up the Iran - Nigeria game of 2013, not me. Really dude, don't transfix your own obsession on me. The only reason we even talked about that game was because you constantly bring it up. YOU, not me. And it was actually YOU not me that was trying to desperately prove that Iran didn't deserve to lose that game.

    Secondly - The only thing that maddens me is the baseless 'age cheating' which is so last decade. But you keep persisting in that lie, despite players like Iheanacho, Success, Awoniyi all growing a few inches since 2013.

    Thirdly, I didn't say Mali would have beat Spain. They are a crap finishing team and deserve to be out. You missed the entire gist of what I was saying and are misrepresenting me. Not that it surprises me, your use of English seems to hamper what you understand and how you understand it. I understand that - but don't then go claiming what I think and what I said, since you don't understand what I think and what I said.

    ---

    Brazil were better than Iran. Brazil vs England was the premature final. That said Spain are on a high. Iran ended on a low and for what its worth Mali put up much stronger opposition and you can't deny that.

    Mali were the best African team and got the African bracket. They made the semis, but were found lacking. A worse side than, for example, the U17 Mali side from 2015.

    Given the brackets England vs Spain is the deserved final. I don't have a problem with that, but you and Nico have decided to play psychic and claim to know what I think and feel. News flash - you are not.

    Add to ignore list.
     
  16. Nico777

    Nico777 Member+

    Olympique de marseille
    Croatia
    Oct 19, 2017
    I know he is not that bad.
    When i found out about this site i did not expect i would feel the need to defend the uefa nations level. I found out about the confederations rivalries here. I never thought the people from europe would have to develop why they have 13 14 spots from the results in world cups...in france and uk there are people from all over the world and we never argued about that when it comes to football.
    The rivalry between some nations within the same confederation is much more intense than between nations from different confederations to me.

    I admit i did not follow the u17 world cup much. I was just curious to find out England is still doing well when they had already amaizing results this year.

    About Iran i haven't seen the tournament but i saw highlights when they won against germany.
     
  17. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

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    And for proof about who is obsessing about Nigeria vs Iran in 2013 I give you exhibit A:

    Persianfootball obsessing about Nigeria vs Iran in 2013 on Page 2 of this thread:

     
  18. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
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    Only in your head am I bothered by this.
    The only thing that bothers me is your incessant age cheating attacks, despite the body of evidence that proves the opposite.
     
  19. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
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    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Now, just to get this out of the way, because Nico for some reason got riled up, when I mentioned Mali scored a legit goal when it was 2:0. I wasn't being anti-UEFA, irritated, I was just stating a fact. The ball crossed the line, goal-line tech or VAR would have caught this. If this was a high profile tournament, this would have been remembered like England - Germany 2010. At U17 level its just a footnote in history.

    Watch 4:33 of the below video:


    It doesn't change anything, but Mali still scored (and arguably the goal of the tournament).
     
  20. Nico777

    Nico777 Member+

    Olympique de marseille
    Croatia
    Oct 19, 2017
    It is not an attack but a reality.
    The money it costs to make fake ids to play in the younger teams changes from a country to another but it is still real in 2017. If you got african friends in real they know it otherwise you are just a pretender.

    You are the first here to try to convince people that african teams lose against europeans teams cause of poor referees decisions.
    Croatia suffered the poor decisions against Brazil. They are from UEFA not from CAF. It happens to everybody.
    Even a nation like Italia has been robbed in 2002.

    But when i suggest you that your dear africans teams you are in love with used a cheating system for a while to get success in youth tournaments you can't deal with it.
     
  21. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
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    Stop putting words in my mouth and intentions in my brain.
    Just stop it!
    Stop it!
    Now!
    Clear enough for you?

    I only mentioned Mali scored a perfectly good goal, because no one else did. I didn't say Mali deserved to win or even claimed they were screwed over. I only stated a FACT: Mali scored a goal. And if we had goal-line or VAR that would have been a goal.

    I never said Mali would have won or whatever. I only made a matter of factual statement.

    END OF!

    Suddenly you're all up in arms just because I dared to mention that Mali scored a deserved goal. It was a rocket and I fully understand why the linesman made a mistake.

    And what does Croatia getting screwed over vs Brazil have to do with this?

    AGAIN. Minute 4:33 - ball over the line, linesman misses it, Spain - Mali 2:1 70th minute.

     
  22. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
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    Again - stop making stuff up and pinning it on me.

    Yes, but that has nothing to do with the U17 World Cup. Wider issue altogether, not entirely unrelated, but has no bearing on recent youth success by African teams, similarly like it has no bearing on Olympic football success.

    I've said it many times in the past (i can dig up quotes with me writing about age cheating) - African teams have a past of cheating in youth tournaments. But past is not the present and despite its flaws we have MRI to thank for that. The 2013 and 2015 World Cup winners from Nigeria were bonafide youngsters. It also explains why their careers have gone much better than of those youth teams from the 1990s and 2000s.

    And it really irks me when ignoramuses claim that Nigeria won those tournaments because of age cheating, despite all the proof to the contrary (MRI, players growing a few inches, pictures from youth tournaments, youth football history, etc.). For all their past faults Nigeria won 2013 and 2015 fair and square. What are you so obsessed to take that away from them?
     
  23. nooshcat

    nooshcat Member

    Jan 3, 2017
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    The attendance figure has been quite impressive for a U-17 WC.
     
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  24. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

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    Good prognostic if India ever want to host a normal World Cup.
     
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  25. Nico777

    Nico777 Member+

    Olympique de marseille
    Croatia
    Oct 19, 2017
    The mri are not totally reliable as said before.
    I don't take everything away from them to me winning at 17 y o doesn't mean anything if you don't confirm behind.

    The only thing i find interesting about England being in this u17 final is that they got results in all the ages ranges in same time and it looks promising otherwise i wouldn't even talk about them here.

    As far as i am concerned I prefer to see a team that doesn't win anything in youth tournaments but gives world class players regularly to the best clubs at senior level and becomes a real threat in front of the world at a major tournament than a team that wins several young tournaments and disappears when it comes to the highest international level in football. Champions league and world cup.

    I would not exchange the chance of a semi final or final at the main tournament against a u20 or u17 title.
     
  26. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Congrats! You've really convinced yourself that UEFA teams have done poorly at this level. :thumbsup:

    "Almost 10 years"? Behave. They didn't make a final for 3 tournaments. That's six years. Whoopti -do.

    And a UEFA team finished in third place each of those tournaments where they didn't have a representative in the final.:cool:
     
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