News: Club World Cup to Expand; Confederations Cup to End

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  1. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    That's the reasoning I remember as well for hosting it in January. Personally I think confederations with wide weather ranges should be flexible with the timing and host their nations cup in either January or June/July - depending on the host country. I think European clubs would be accepting of that as long as a nations cup is played on a quadrennial basis. It's a fair compromise.

    But of course that isn't happening and CAF are mistaken if they think they resolved the "tug-of-war" over the African players based in Europe. And CAF has a lot more of them than CONCACAF, the other confederation insisting on a biennial nations cup. Expanding the AFCON to 24 teams also would have softened the financial blow of a reduced frequency.

    Truly a missed opportunity in my opinion to ease the international calendar.
     
  2. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Once they decided to expand the ACN, it became absolutely crucial to move to the June/July period. It takes a whole week longer to play a 24-team tournament compared to a 16-team one. So clubs would lose players for a big chunk of the season every 2 years if they kept it in January/February.
     
  3. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    I have heard rumors that CAF is thinking about playing some of their tournaments in the USA and China.
    No joke.
     
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  4. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    I would probably go to a match if that happened (US hosting), but that does seem a bit bizarre. It wouldn't do as well as Copa America. I don't see the tournament gaining any traction whatsoever in China. France would seem a more logical choice if they must leave the continent for whatever reason.

    The US should push harder for hosting a U-20 World Cup. Its CONCACAF's turn to host one in 2019 and US is the only big country in CONCACAF not to host the tournament yet. But they don't seem interested for some reason.
     
  5. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're right - and at the same time, that would fuel Marine Le Pen's political propaganda for the next decade. :ROFLMAO:
     
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  6. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    They would have to rig it a lot like the CONCACAF does with the Gold Cup gearing towards population correlation and double headers.
    Most of the Groups would have to be in New York/NJ at either the NFL stadium or the MLS stadium.
    Nigeria can set up shop in Texas since that is where the biggest Nigerian population is.

    Georgia, Louisiana, New England, DC/Maryland and California also have African populations.
     
  7. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Didn't hear that but apparently CAF was considering inviting teams a la Copa America. That seems to be off the table. At least for now.
     
  8. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I heard the CAF's stealing all of CONCACAF's ideas and won't even bother with a draw anymore :D
     
  9. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    maybe they could have a replacement of up to 6 players from their roster, once going through to the knock-out stages, too.......:rolleyes::D
     
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  10. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    It is actually a good idea for those who say there's too many summer tournaments and players need rest.
     
  11. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    An even better idea is to scrap such tournaments altogether. Having such a rule in place is basically an admission that the tournament is not very important.
     
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  12. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    If a Confederation wants to have two tournaments and it is approved by FIFA that is all that matters to me.
     
  13. Footsatt

    Footsatt Member+

    Apr 8, 2008
    Michigan
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is probably the case, but Mexico and USA have not met in a GC since the final of 2011. In the past 3 GCs Mex or USA have been eliminated by another team.
     
  14. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    True, but I suspect that's partly due to one of them fielding a much weaker team because they (Mexico) were involved in the Confederations' Cup in the same summer.
     
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  15. Footsatt

    Footsatt Member+

    Apr 8, 2008
    Michigan
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This year, yes, Mexico had a C Team. In 2015 it was the US that was knocked out by Jamaica. In 2013 Mexico fielded a B Team, and was knocked out by Panama.
     
  16. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    That is really interesting. A lot more money for beuracrats line their pockets, the players too, probably wouldn't complain of a tour of the USA. International soccer is getting more and more of an exhibition-like quality to it so this just fits that trend. When did CAF hold the first one? This could be the CAF Copa Centario, except get the right year and put it in French.
     
  17. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    I simply find it ridiculous that a national team has two senior tournaments scheduled in the same summer. A nonsensical situation that will be extended to CAF if the Confederations Cup doesn't get axed.
     
  18. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  19. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I love you Paul but that o e line written by some media shop geek proves nothing.
     
  20. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    FIFA is looking to can the yearly CWC and do a 24 team competition every 4 years in place of the CC which opens the door for the return of the IC.
     
  21. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Too lazy to rewrite - my thoughts here.
     
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  22. It's called FOOTBALL

    LMX Clubs
    Mexico
    May 4, 2009
    Chitown
    We cannot let this happen guys.

    DEFCON 5. Tweet them, email them, call them (I've called their Swiss office before), do anything you can to prevent this, this makes me sick to my stomach.

    Imagine canceling the Superbowl and substituting it with a quadrennial SB tourney featuring the conference champs from the past 4 years. That's how lame this idea is.
     
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  23. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I miss the Intercontinental Cup, and if this means it comes back, then I'm glad the CWC will be every four years.
     
  24. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    I don't know if this change would mean a comeback for the Intercontinental Cup, but I am interested as to why you prefer the Intercontinental Cup.
     
  25. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "Que vuelva el Intercontinental" is a common refrain in South America, harking back to a time when there really wasn't a point to inviting the rest of the world to the table - and South American clubs were more competitive vis-à-vis Europe. Now, after the Copa Libertadores champs have failed to make the CWC final three times in the last decade (despite having to win just one game to do so), it's a pointless wish IMO.
     

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